Ireland votes on gay marriage - why should I care?

TheLegendOfMart said:
Technically we are, we are wired to like the same sex making non-assisted reproduction impossible. What benefit is that to the gene pool?

That isn't touching on the philosophical side of it, the meaning of life, etc..

I don't think asim meant it in a malicious way.
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You are making the common mistake of thinking evolution is a thinking process, with a long term plan. It isn't, it is random mutations mixed with survival of the fittest filtering out the 'positive ones'.

So your question "What benefit is that to the gene pool?" is an irrelevant one.
 
estebanrey said:
You are making the common mistake of thinking evolution is a thinking process, with a long term plan. It isn't, it is random mutations mixed with survival of the fittest filtering out the 'positive ones'.

So your question "What benefit is that to the gene pool?" is an irrelevant one.
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I never said it was thinking or that there was a plan, I know what evolution is.

A random mutation making people gay is an evolutionary dead end because they can not pass on their genes.

I am gay, I don't need people being offended for me.
 
TheLegendOfMart said:
I was talking purely in technical terms, I never said we should discriminate against them but being gay is an evolutionary dead end, we can't pass on our genes without surrogacy.
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OK, fair enough. So what relevance does the point have in the context of whether same sex marriage is acceptable or not?

My point being that if people truly believe that being an 'evolutionary dead end' is an excuse to disallow same sex marriage - then there are many, many other people who should also not be allowed to get married. I am not trying to say you feel that way, but to point out that it is a dubious foundation to an argument for those who do.
 
Efour said:
LOL pains me :confused::p ? Evolutionary dead end?? What the **** language are you guys speaking? Its like talking to Charles Darwin's ghost. Just for the record you're polluting the gene pool by laying with a Chinese woman, you're a filthy example of evolution and impurity:D. You are the sickest kind of Aryan!
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No need to get personal but i'll just correct you that when procreating nature favors genetic diversity, and you tend to get stronger offspring when looking for a mate genetically distant from yourself. There's a reason why inbreeding is a no no.

Do you walk around the street tutting at "evolutionary dead end" people like The disabled, sterile, "Ugly" people and gingers?
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"Ugly" people and gingers as long as they aren't homosexual will still produce offspring as long as they attract a mate. The disabled, depends on the form of disability as some forms make them sterile, others are so severely disabled that they cannot or have no desire to have sex. And of course being sterile is a evolutionary dead end, if you can't procreate then you cannot pass on your genes. Most of these examples you have just given wouldn't have been able to pass on their genes in the wild and the only reason they can now is that we have developed technology to surpass natural selection.

I dont know. As i said to the other guy, if you were deeply religious or something i could at least understand the viewpoint more. Not this "end of the line" half assed excuse.
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It's far from a half assed excuse, it's a basic fact you're just ignoring. It's beside the point but i am deeply religious anyway, but that doesn't cloud my judgement on things but your post is full of emotion and you're not thinking things through rationally

In a massively overpopulated world i think people having less kids is absolutely brilliant: Maybe its gods plan, she works in mysterious ways! :D
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Thats a backwards way of thinking, we need more more quality than quantity when it comes to population. The reason the world is overpopulated is because of poor 3rd world countries. We're doing ok in 1st world countries and are not overpopulated and will continue to do so as long as we keep check on immigration from 3rd world countries flooding the rest of the world and devaluing the level of living standards of the 1st, but that's a topic for another thread
 
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Thompson_NCL said:
My feelings are not hurt and as I've already said in this thread, it will have no direct impact on my own life. My concern is not for me personally, but for the long-term success of our society.
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I think I know the answer but could somebody please confirm for me. Out of the countries that have legalised gay marriage, how many have either legalised marriage to animals and/or completely fallen?
 
TheLegendOfMart said:
I never said it was thinking or that there was a plan, I know what evolution is.

A random mutation making people gay is an evolutionary dead end because they can not pass on their genes.

I am gay, I don't need people being offended for me.
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Firstly, gay people can pass on genes - many gay people have children with surrogates.

Secondly, evolution isn't always as simple as it first appears - some benefits are intergenerational, trade offs between multiple siblings, advantages in groups etc.
 
robgmun said:
Thats a backwards way of thinking, we need more more quality than quantity when it comes to population. The reason the world is overpopulated is because of poor 3rd world countries. We're doing ok in 1st world countries and are not overpopulated and will continue to do so as long as we keep check on immigration from 3rd world countries flooding the rest of the world and devaluing the level of living standards of the 1st, but that's a topic for another thread
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Wow....just wow, it is staggering you can just so casually come out with such views and completely believe in what you are saying, without any (rational) thought about the overall situation. I would say the lack of any empathy is staggering, but then, you are a self confessed gluttonous, self centered, 'I'm alright Jack' type of person so it shouldn't be of any surprise really. (these are not insults btw, just things you have admitted about yourself in previous posts)

What do you think gives the '1st world' their higher standard of living? Maybe partly to do with the exploitation of the '3rd worlds' labour force and natural resources? The wasteful disregard and over consumption of dwindling resources? God forbid we give a tiny part of our wealth back (in the form of Foreign aid) or that other people might like a share of the very big piece of pie we take and want to emmigrate to improve their lives and their childrens futures.

But no, let's not even think about equalising the standard of living across this one world we have, because they are not worthy, lets just keep the boot on their necks and stop 'them' from 'devaluing our standard of living'

I despair.

And you saying you are deeply religious is just lolworthy, I am guessing that is Christianity, so where is the love and compassion for your fellow man that is the basic tenet of your religion?
 
Freakbro said:
And you saying you are deeply religious is just lolworthy, I am guessing that is Christianity, so where is the love and compassion for your fellow man that is the basic tenet of your religion?
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I'd like to know what religion preaches greed & selfishness against your fellow man also. What I do find most funny about this forum is the most 'Christian' (by following the teachings of Jesus) people on here are atheists.

As with many of this kind of religious person, it's just about 'judging others' & nothing about following the actual tenets of the religion themselves, do as I say - not as I do.
 
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There is no point in arguing with someone with a faith. So good luck to you, your viewpoint is out of date and will be laughed at in a few generations time anyway, MOST probably !

I respect it, but its like arguing with a brick.
 
robgmun said:
It's far from a half assed excuse, it's a basic fact you're just ignoring. It's beside the point but i am deeply religious anyway, but that doesn't cloud my judgement on things but your post is full of emotion and you're not thinking things through rationally
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I never had you down as a religious man, Rob. I'm somewhat surprised.
 
Freakbro said:
Emotional guff
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elmarko said:
Becomes emotional circle jerk
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The heart is vital part of life, but if everyone thought like you the world would quickly descend into a chaos of poverty. But lets not hypocrisy get in the way, right? I mean, you at least give half you earning to charity every month don't you? I mean you're not a greedy monster like me and only give enough not for it to effect your standard of living, Right?.....RIGHT?

Anyway, we're going OT, i thought you'd be more interested in commenting on my other points unless you don't have an answer to that
 
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cheesyboy said:
I never had you down as a religious man, Rob. I'm somewhat surprised.
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Going back on topic, despite being religious i have nothing against homosexuals per se, they can go about there lives as they see fit, God has given us the freedom to live how we want, it's an individual choice on what we do with it. I'm not going to Judge it's not my place.
 
robgmun said:
It's far from a half assed excuse, it's a basic fact you're just ignoring. It's beside the point but i am deeply religious anyway, but that doesn't cloud my judgement on things but your post is full of emotion and you're not thinking things through rationally
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Someone who believes in a god that no one can prove exists is telling people they aren't thinking rationally. Hilarious.

It takes a real piece of work to create humans and give them free will but then tell them if they use that free will against his wishes then they will burn in hell for all eternity.
 
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Efour said:
IT makes perfect sense really if you understand the guys other posts too.

Its all good everyone is different and entitled to their opinion.
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I dunno.

I would expect someone deeply religious to display a higher measure of tolerance and empathy, frankly. Judging others as you would be judged yourself, and such.

A mildly religious man may lean on his belief as a back-stop for his intolerance, but I would imagine a deeply religious one would encompass the broader positive teachings of his religion over the fracturing details.
 
Efour said:
IT makes perfect sense really if you understand the guys other posts too.

Its all good everyone is different and entitled to their opinion.
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Of course every one is entitled to tier opinion as every one else entitled to call them idiots for it. I'm interested to find out the % of people who oppose gay marriage that are religious. I'm guessing the majority are.
 
TheLegendOfMart said:
Someone who believes in a god that no one can prove exists is telling people they aren't thinking rationally. Hilarious.

It takes a real piece of work to create humans and give them free will but then tell them if they use that free will then they will burn in hell for all eternity.
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I'll take 'what is theology' for 100 please. You can have a belief in God and rationally think about the world at the same time, but it seems you have a very 2-dimensional view of people who believe in God, arguably as 2-dimensional as the view of homophobics have of homosexuals.

I have a background of Physics (I was a cosmologist as one point in life) but i also believe in God, the study of the nature of god and how the universe fit into all of it is infinitely complex. Dismissing god is a ignorant facility
 
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