Most of the "welfare burden" is actually spent on pensions, why don't people get this. Let's just start killing old people then hey?
That's at best incomplete, isn't it? I see no mention of the £12 Bn of child benefit, for instance.
Theresa May Wants To Deport All Foreign Benefit Claimants!
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That's at best incomplete, isn't it? I see no mention of the £12 Bn of child benefit, for instance.
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Which is fine but you've missed the point. May wants to amend the law to stop people whose only crime is being poor from using Human Rights legislation to block deportations.
This isn't about whether convicted foreign criminals should be protected from deportation, but whether people the Government deem 'unable to support their families' too.
I think a lot of the support for this change above is either because they made the same mistake you did and think this is only about people who have committed crimes, or because they only picture the laughing Somalian getting off the boat shouting "I'm going to bleed the UK benefit system dry, mwahahahaha".
If the law is changed and worded as it is in the quote I posted in the OP, this would in principle allow the Government to undertake ethnic/social cleansing programmes. They could, in theory run a list of every year of anyone earning less than the living wage and has a funny surname and just stick them on a boat and tell them to do one.
Because not everything is about money, sometimes it's about social cohesion and keeping the public happy
Yep, shouldn't even be counted in the "welfare" bill and should be considered a separate entity
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The sad thing is the public are fed a negative picture of ALL immigrants except obviously the oligarchs, Sheiks, Foreign Nationals with wealth etc
The value immigration brings to our hospitality, care and agricultural sectors seems to be forgotten about although these jobs are generally paid the minimum wage - making them targets for Mrs May
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Jesus wept. So a 'third world' immigrant who has worked hard & paid into the system has no right to a state pension but the same 'British' person does?
Why do you need to have 'historical ties' to this country?
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Why? It's a welfare benefit and the state pension is a burden. It's why the working age is always going upwards because not enough is contributed to the overall pension pot. Pensioners should not be exempt from taking their share of responsibility for the welfare bill.
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Sure, but you're essentially saying that the children, who are innocents, should suffer because of the acts of one of their parents?
I can't see how that is remotely fair to the children.
That can't be helped. If a parent commits a crime and gets thrown in prison their children are suffering because of that as well. There's not much we can do about that.
Parents should be thinking of the Kids before they commit the crime.
Or maybe the children will be better protected from not having a criminal dad hanging around?
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Indeed but that's slightly preferable to the whole family being deported.
Indeed, now if only life was that black and white.
Depends on the crime, no? Also see above.
Even if the dad just did minor crimes (thift etc) that will influence the children into thinking that this behavior is ok, this is not on in my book. We've removed children from homes by social services for less
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Just playing Devil's Advocate, but their children could be the reason for commiting the offence. In that it may be the only way they feel they can support them.
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Could someone please explain this mindset to me whereby you care only about the people who were born in the country you live in, as opposed to caring about everyone? We are all equal, we deserve equal rights and equal treatment, and we should care for the other members of our species, wherever they were born.
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So for this semi hypothetical example:
My father moved to this country 50 years ago with my grandfather who came because he was an ambassador. My father met my mother (who is also not from the UK) and they ended up married. My father worked non stop until last year when he retired. Obviously my family no longer have diplomatic immunity and though i have British passport and birth certificate, my parents don't.
In this scenario, would they be liable to deportation if they struggle to support themselves on their meagre pension, despite having paid a huge sum through tax throughout their lives? (i don't know if its meagre but i generally assume most pensions are)
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I share the same opinion as dirtychinchilla. I have no problem with my taxes going to foreign nationals, as long as the taxes are being used correctly and not given to the lazy bums who don't bother looking for a job. The issue with welfare is that a portion is misspent on those who don't deserve it because of their lack of contribution (regardless of where they are from). It seems that due to the recent popular UKIP mentality, politicians are using the hot topic of immigration to spice things up.
My father moved to this country 50 years ago with my grandfather who came because he was an ambassador. My father met my mother (who is also not from the UK) and they ended up married. My father worked non stop until last year when he retired. Obviously my family no longer have diplomatic immunity and though i have British passport and birth certificate, my parents don't.
In this scenario, would they be liable to deportation if they struggle to support themselves on their meagre pension, despite having paid a huge sum through tax throughout their lives? (i don't know if its meagre but i generally assume most pensions are)
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I share the same opinion as dirtychinchilla. I have no problem with my taxes going to foreign nationals, as long as the taxes are being used correctly and not given to the lazy bums who don't bother looking for a job. The issue with welfare is that a portion is misspent on those who don't deserve it because of their lack of contribution (regardless of where they are from). It seems that due to the recent popular UKIP mentality, politicians are using the hot topic of immigration to spice things up.
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Are you genuinely struggling to understand the rationale? If so, I would be happy to explain it to you. I'd think you were an idiot, but I would take the time to educate you.
If on the other hand you simply disagree with the rationale, then surely you understand you are not advancing the argument by expressing the same old platitudes that have been gone over time and time again?
Previous generations built this country solely in order for their children to prosper, not to be handed out to anyone with a sad face or beards.
I don't need anyone in another country to survive to achieve that.
Why? People can do it if they want to feel good about themselves, but I don't see why it needs to be obligatory to include everyone.
Do you care about ISIS for example, are they just misunderstood sharks needing a hug?