Possible Radeon 390X / 390 and 380X Spec / Benchmark (do not hotlink images!!!!!!)

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A lot of people seem to be making out that some of the "new" AMD cards actually being modified versions of older cards is the apocalypse or something, and while I don't want to turn this into a brand war, I feel it's impotent to remind ourselves what Nvidia did with the GTX700 series.

First they took the GTX680, over-clocked it, added GPU Boost 2.0, added no memory to it and relaunched it as the GTX770 (with a price drop), it was aimed to compete with the HD7970, a card that launched over a year earlier (before the GTX680) and had 1GB more VRAM (+50% more).

First they took the GTX670, sliced some of it off, over-clocked it, added GPU Boost 2.0, added no memory to it and relaunched it as the GTX760 (with a price drop), it was aimed to compete with the HD7950, a card that launched over a year earlier (before the GTX670) and had 1GB more VRAM (+50% more) however on pure performance grounds it was inferior to the GTX670 it replaced.

Now by comparison, what AMD appears to be doing is taking the 290X, not slicing anything off, adding an extra 4GB of VRAM, over-clocking it, and (expectedly) dropping the price. This card will have double the VRAM of the one it looks like it will be competing with.

I have never been a fan of re-branding cards but I have trouble bringing myself to fault AMD on this when their only competition also does it, and doesn't even make it better.

Exactly this. Both AMD and Nvidia are guilty of rebranding their previous high end GPUs at the low/mid end. I don't like it but I accept it is how the business works now and it has done for years. Though it's amazing to see the hypocrites on this thread up in arms about this, as if it is a new crime just perpetrated/invented by AMD. Amazingly some of these accusers defended Nvidia for releasing the GTX680 as the GTX770 etc.

The same kind of people who said a few years ago that 2GB was fine, because it suited their agenda that the GTX680 was perfect. Then a year ago they said 3GB was fine, because it suited their agenda that the GTX780 (and 780Ti) with 3GB VRAM were perfect. Now they are telling us 4GB isn't enough. I run a GTX980 with 4GB at 4K and have not found VRAM issues, performance issues yes, but not VRAM. Having said that I would always prefer more than less and will wait to see what the Radeon Fury offers at 4K before making baseless accusations.

AMD have slightly better power efficiency and the Nvidia fans claim, "who cares, performance is king".
Nvidia have slightly more performance than AMD and the AMD fans will claim, "more VRAM is king".
AMD have more VRAM than Nvidia and the Nvidia fans claim, "who cares, better power efficiency is king".

It's the same circus from both camps every single GPU release. Play up your religious groups advantages and highlight the opposition "cults" weakness. And be ready to make a complete hypocritical 180 if those advantage and disadvantages swap during the next GPU "war".

 

[se_vietboi]

Exactly this. Both AMD and Nvidia are guilty of rebranding their previous high end GPUs at the low/mid end. I don't like it but I accept it is how the business works now and it has done for years. Though it's amazing to see the hypocrites on this thread up in arms about this, as if it is a new crime just perpetrated by AMD. Amazingly some of these accusers defended Nvidia for releasing the GTX680 as the GTX770.

I don't think Nvidia has ever rebranded a rebrand that's 2 years old though.

 

[Gregster]

I am sure a new fixer video will make everything better.

 

[Freddie1980]

I don't think Nvidia has ever rebranded a rebrand that's 2 years old though.

The 8800 gts was recycled a fair few times across 3 generations i recall.

 

[pgi947]

I don't think anyone should be particularly mad that it's a rebrand, it does happen in one way or another over ever generation of cards. What's more concerning is out side of Fury amd have no new architecture for the lower tiers. Nvidia have just had a full revamp from the 960 up (5 cards!) While amd have only managed to muster up a refreshed top end.

That said I'd love to be even slightly wrong and improvements have been made to Hawaii.

Also 390x HAS to be £300 or less, you can pick up a 980 for around the £370 mark. Don't get me wrong, Hawaii is still a damn fast chip even by today's standard, but it's pricing has to fit in with everything around it.

Fury X = £529
390x = £299
390p = £229

My predictions

 

[se_vietboi]

The 8800 gts was recycled a fair few times across 3 generations i recall.

Yes but in a much shorter time span. Its more unforgiving that the 7xxx series came out late 2011 and 4 years later still being rebranded.

 

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I don't think Nvidia has ever rebranded a rebrand that's 2 years old though.

1st of all, it's not 2 years. R9 290(X) were released in Oct/Nov 2013, which is just over 1.5 years. Nvidia released the 8800 range in 2007, rebranded some of them as 9800 range in 2008, then rebranded and used some of them again as the GT200 range in 2009. Closer to two years for that "rebrand and rebrand again", not that that makes the 1.5+ years R9290 - 390X rebrand any less bad.

It's been a seedy operation that has been happening for years and I am sure many uneducated folks fell for this crap. We have to accept it happens as stop acting like it's a shock horror and never been done before.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2731

 

[Ayahuasca]

Fury X = £529
390x = £299
390p = £229

My predictions

Fury X = £699
390x = £359
390p = £279

Mine

 

[TNA]

The 8800 gts was recycled a fair few times across 3 generations i recall.

Ahh, I remember my 8800 GTS, it used to overclock like a beast! Loved that card. Lasted me a good while if I remember right, then the 4870 came out for £200 and I got that.

 

[melmac]

And we have seen the uniformed straight off the bat with the unboxing video (poor chap).

Yep that cringeworthy video of the rebrand unboxing pretty much shows how the misinformed can be completely unaware it's really a two year old chip. There are people that will literally go in to best buy, see "new" on the shelf and pick it up. Sad but true.

What the hell is this crap?

The uniformed having been buying products stupidly for as long as trading has existed? Why so worried now about uniformed buyers?

If you are spending £300-£400 on something and don't do any research into the purchase then you are an idiot. 2 minutes on google would have showing that "poor guy" that the 390x was not the top of the line card.

 

[se_vietboi]

1st of all, it's not 2 years. R9 290(X) were released in Oct/Nov 2013, which is just over 1.5 years. Nvidia released the 8800 range in 2007, rebranded some of them as 9800 range in 2008, then rebranded and used some of them again as the GT200 range in 2009. So about the same 1.5+ year timescales we are seeing now.

It's been a seedy operation that has been happening for years and I am sure many uneducated folks fell for this crap. We have to accept it happens as stop acting like it's a shock horror and never been done before.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2731

8800 range to GT200 - 2007-2009

7000 range to R9 300 - 2011-2015

How they are able to rebrand this late into the game when Nvidia dished out Maxwell months before is beyond me.

 

[ICDP]

What the hell is this crap?

The uniformed having been buying products stupidly for as long as trading has existed? Why so worried now about uniformed buyers?

If you are spending £300-£400 on something and don't do any research into the purchase then you are an idiot. 2 minutes on google would have showing that "poor guy" that the 390x was not the top of the line card.

It's normal SOP for some folk to jump up and down like AMD just killed their puppy at every opportunity. I feel sorry for the guy and anyone who falls for this but like you say, do a bit of research before spending hundreds of pounds on GPU hardware.

 

[TNA]

8800 range to GT200 - 2007-2009

7000 range to R9 300 - 2011-2015

How they are able to rebrand this late into the game when Nvidia dished out Maxwell months before is beyond me.

I would imagine it is simply because of lack of fabrication shrinking. We have been stuck on 28nm for what feels like ages to me... Before it was every year or every other year.

I wonder where it will be in 10 years time.

 

[pgi947]

8800 range to GT200 - 2007-2009

7000 range to R9 300 - 2011-2015

How they are able to rebrand this late into the game when Nvidia dished out Maxwell months before is beyond me.

While true, saying 2011 for the 7900 series is a little rough and makes it sound worse then it is, iirc it launched mid December 2011, had severe stock shortages and wasn't widely available until mid January 2012

 

[SimBy]

I would imagine it is simply because of lack of fabrication shrinking. We have been stuck on 28nm for what feels like ages to me... Before it was every year or every other year.

I wonder where it will be in 10 years time.

We are quickly approaching the limit:

10 µm – 1971
6 µm – 1974
3 µm – 1977
1.5 µm – 1982
1 µm – 1985
800 nm – 1989
600 nm – 1994
350 nm – 1995
250 nm – 1997
180 nm – 1999
130 nm – 2001
90 nm – 2004
65 nm – 2006
45 nm – 2008
32 nm – 2010
22 nm – 2012
14 nm – 2014
10 nm – 2016
7 nm – 2018
5 nm – 2020

Some think we can't go much smaller than that.

 

[Dave2150]

I said there would be a 6gb card even before I bought the TXs.

My only concern about the 980 Ti is it is not as fast as I thought it would be. I was expecting a fully enabled core rather than a cut down one.

The bottom line though is the Titan X will outlast all the 980 Ti's and 4gb Fury Xs simplely because it has got 12gb of VRAM and is fantastic in a multi GPU setup.

People may hate the Titan X for the asking price but for what it does there is no viable alternative - multi GPU 2160p gaming.

Outlast? Both the 900 series (including titan) and the 300 series (including fiji) will be completely obsolete this time next year, when 16nm GPU's hit the shelves. No-one will care how much memory a TitanX has when it's matched by a mid range card for £150.

 

[easyrider]

Is it just 48 hours to go ?

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

No-one will care how much memory a TitanX has when it's matched by a mid range card for £250+

Just made it a tad more realistic for you

 

[bru]

People keep bringing up the NVidia 8800 saying how much it was rebranded, please remember that a die shrunk card is not a rebrand. I rebrand is where you use the exact same chip.

 

[bru]

We've done it