Probably not as the top salary for a fully qualified nurse with 6 years experience is not even in the same ballpark as 35k.
non EU migrants to be sent home if not earning £35k after 6 years. hmm what about salary caps
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Probably not as the top salary for a fully qualified nurse with 6 years experience is not even in the same ballpark as 35k.
It's driven by demand, you can't force people to want to be nurses. My girlfriend is a student nurse and her nursing degree is paid for (as I understand it) by the NHS. About half her year are Irish, they come here because the pay is better and so are the facilities.
The NHS will almost certainly be exempt from this.
Nurses on that wage are making more than the average full time worker so it's not exactly low pay.
That income would put you in the seventh decile for median gross income. Pretty good going tbh.
To put some sauce in this thread.
http://www.theguardian.com/money/2014/mar/25/uk-incomes-how-salary-compare
Median gross income:
£35k is in the top 30% of earners
£28k (nurse) is in the top 40% of earners
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...he-state-in-tax-and-how-much-we-get-back.html
You need to be on £35-38k to be a net contributor to the economy. That's probably why they came to that figure, as has already been mentioned.
http://www.theguardian.com/money/2014/mar/25/uk-incomes-how-salary-compare
Median gross income:
£35k is in the top 30% of earners
£28k (nurse) is in the top 40% of earners
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...he-state-in-tax-and-how-much-we-get-back.html
You need to be on £35-38k to be a net contributor to the economy. That's probably why they came to that figure, as has already been mentioned.
Now there's a good idea!
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The cynic in me thinks that London nurses will be sorted and therefore the South East will be catered for as usual.
The rest of us in the shires will end up suffering.
The rest of us in the shires will end up suffering.
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Damn auto-correct, thanks for pointing it out
Cripes - you deserve a big payrise mate. I just assumed that a full qualified nurse would be on £40k+ and one working in London on £60k+
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The main thing that makes me angry about this story is that fully qualified nurses get paid as little as £28k a year
What you're glossing over there is that they get far more in bank shifts etc, can disappear off for 6months sick without question and in some cases when held as contractors get upwards of £25 an hour.
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This is not how you fix your NHS. While they continue to import staff from around the world, many of whom will eventually leave, or export their money abroad you are fixing nothing.
While we may need to continue to supply nurses for the foreseeable future, they could fix the problem relating to doctors in around 10 years, by investing in education, undergraduate and postgrad medical training.
Any investment would be better for the country as it fulfils the roles from within, people from within tend to stay, and also appeases the populous that 'dem stealin r jobs' crowd has nothing to say back.
They need to up university places, and the postgrad places for GMP training schemes, and the various speciality consultant training schemes.
We can watch for five years as they talk about doing this, but in the end, they'll import staff from Europe and India to fulfil this weekend opening they think they'll manage to get doctors to achieve.
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GPs earn over £100K a year on average I know that. I imagine that GPs are at the low end of the doctor's pay scale.
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GP are self-employed contractors to the health service.
What they are paid, and what they take home are radically different amounts.
Doctors in training
All doctors in training earn a basic salary and may be paid an additional supplement depending on their working pattern.
In the most junior hospital trainee post (Foundation Year 1) the basic starting salary is £22,636. This increases in Foundation Year 2 to £28,076. For a doctor in specialist training the basic salary is between £30,002 and £47,175.
Specialty doctors
Doctors in the specialty doctor grade earn a basic salary of between £37,176 and £69,325.
Consultants
Consultants can earn a basic salary of between £75,249 and £101,451 per year, dependent on years of seniority in the consultant grade. Local and national clinical excellence awards may be awarded subject to meeting the necessary criteria.
General practitioners
Many general practitioners (GPs) are self employed and hold contracts, either on their own or as part of a Clinical Commissioning Group (CCG). The profit of GPs varies according to the services they provide for their patients and the way they choose to provide these services.
Salaried GPs have a salary range between £55,412 and £83,617. It is up to the employing organisation to decide how much to pay a Salaried GP within this range.
This is from the NHS.
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Why do people with opinions like this never actually bother to understand what they are saying?
Firstly the USA doesn't have a 'nice point system'. It doesn't have a point system at all. Canada and Australia does - but thats a more permissive immigration system than ours. It's actually VERY difficult to become legally resident in the UK. We do not have an 'open door' immigration policy, if we did people wouldn't be trying to get in hidden in the back of lorries when they could simply pitch at at Heathrow on a budget airline.
Having a point system like Australia would increase immigration. If thats what you want, then great (and frankly there are benefits) but most people who claim we need a system like this are usually anti immigration and think it would reduce immigration.
Sort of. Those figures are household income figures and assume state education. People arriving here educated don't cost us as much.
probably only CNS (clinical nurse specialist) can dream of earning that much
The department that decides such things has strongly suggested and publically stated they have advised against an exception for nurses.
The main thing that makes me angry about this story is that fully qualified nurses get paid as little as £28k a year
Yes, a fully qualified nurse who lives outside London and who remains a band 5 and doesn't add in any unsocial enhancements is on that much. So it's not really a representative picture at all. Although the truer picture is not more generous in all fairness. But what do expect when you have a politically apathetic group of practitioners who have a woeful union to represent them. Add in a healthy dose of gender bias and the publics' lack of care for their fellow man etc.
We used to until the current government came in. Not enough but far more. One of their first acts was to cut places even though every metric said we would need more nurses.
Note also a UK nurse returning to work largely has to self-fund. A foreign nurse is assisted in meeting the register's requirements.
Actually in London it will be with unsocial hours, a bit of overtime/agency, and London weighting it will be. Where I used to work (over 5 years ago) all the band 6's were pulling in between 40-55k per annum with agency and the band 5's were in the 30-40k mark. Naturally London weighting accounts for this.
It is not unreasonable to expect someone who is aware of such a ruling to plan for it I think. I think it is not unreasonable for someone to reach band 6 in two to three years if they are sufficiently motivated. That would then leave them on 30k before unsocial hours and agency work/overtime. Presumably overtime soon as the government wants agencies gone.
Yes they will.
They get more for working overtime as do most people. No they can't disappear off for 6 months without question don't be stupid. Agency pay in London is £25 for specialised practitioners. Now call me odd but I think £25 quid per hour for a post-graduate trained intensive care/ high dependency specialist to work through the night or of a weekend is not that bad when a solicitor will charge 100 per hour for checking whether your house is okay to buy with a load of caveats and no comeback. Now I know solicitors are all great and all but I kind of think I value the lives of my nearest and dearest a little bit more than 0.25 what I value my house or any other legal work ...
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As a side-note I will say I am not wholly against removing the foreign labour force for a variety of reasons. Firstly, with the exception of certain countries most practitioners from abroad are not good enough. Not in my experience. They may have a caring aptitude but they don't have the necessary skillset. This is especially noteable from certain areas.
I constantly see nurses being referred to as lovely. Well that is all fine and dandy - I've seen family members say the same - I've then seen the sub-standard care dished out by these lovely people.
I think it is ethically wrong to strip poorer countries of such a resource.
I also think the government is not doing it for such reasons though. I think David Cameron is on a personal crusade to destroy the NHS. I think there are plenty of other people who will quite happily go along with him. I also think running something into the ground so it needs privatising is a tactic we've seen before.
But you know what Labour are to blame too. They made every practitioner require higher education where they were taught sociology and political manifestos rather than education the potential leaders and letting everyone else learn to care. The nurses themselves have failed to take a stand once against the government despite being shafted time after time and their union has capitulated to every government it has discussed their situation with.
Moreover, you can apply for residency before this period is up.
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It's the same in IT with certain groups of offshore staff - very polite, say 'yes' to everything, never raise any issues, but can't deliver anything worth a damn.