22 year old invents a way to instantly stop bleeding

Participant said:
That's not 'THE' question though, is it.

You've already identified that its primary usage is for 'emergency type functions'. I doubt that the first thing someone things about when landmine shrapnel embeds itself into their femoral artery is 'how will this look after the plastic surgeon is finished'.
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In which case superglue and clamps will do. They will also be far more accurate and precise and controlled. You will get better observation of the site to prevent secondary bleeds and leakage thereby reducing likely compartment syndrome and localised haematoma.

The other issue is when you have a situation that you described the fragments of clothes, dirt etc travel down the tissue layers causing gross infection so you lose your access to these which is something you do need.

I am not saying it doesn't have it's place but it's not what it is being sold as.
 
Xordium said:
In which case superglue and clamps will do. They will also be far more accurate and precise and controlled. You will get better observation of the site to prevent secondary bleeds and leakage thereby reducing likely compartment syndrome and localised haematoma.

The other issue is when you have a situation that you described the fragments of clothes, dirt etc travel down the tissue layers causing gross infection so you lose your access to these which is something you do need.

I am not saying it doesn't have it's place but it's not what it is being sold as.
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That all sounds like you have a lot more knowledge than me, but your original point was about the cosmetic outcome and now your point is about efficacy, which I agree is that most important thing and which was my point.
 
Participant said:
That all sounds like you have a lot more knowledge than me, but your original point was about the cosmetic outcome and now your point is about efficacy, which I agree is that most important thing and which was my point.
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I can see why you thought that now re-reading let me explain.

This will either be used for life-saving situations or day to day situations as an adjunct. Now for me it is not the be and end all for life and death situations for the reasons I've detailed - you need vision and you need access - this prevents that. And I don't think it necessarily has a place in day to day application because of the cosmetic reasons - it will prevent good wound healing.

Hence why I think it will have it's place albeit not much of one.

Let me expand. If you got shot in the leg and I stuff the wound full of this stuff I then taken the assumption it will work. The chances of it closing every bleed along the path of that bullet through say in your thigh though? Not a lot. So then when you leg expands from internal bleeding what do I have to do - cut into you. When you pulse goes in your foot and I realise I've clotted off too much what do I have to do - cut into you. So for me it's useless. For the non-expert though what will they do pump you full of this stuff and assume it's stopped the bleeding. But it likely hasn't it's still going on internally. They'd be better off letting it out before it just blocks off all circulation in your leg. They'd be better stemming the blood flow whilst help awaits.

If you say lost the leg completely and I applied it then you'd want to be damn sure no-one could reconnect that leg because as I said how easy is it get off and can your leg take anymore damage from what has been done already.
 
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bitslice said:
something similar already in use

http://www.quikclot.com/

used as a cavity wound stuffing for gunshot injuries
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Actually it isn't at all part the odd case. It isn't used that much partly for the reasons I've given above. It's an exothermic reaction so you don't want to be slapping it around as in the panicky environment you've got a good chance to burn your medic especially the eyes and really mess up your patient even more than they are (the powder stuff). And once you've put it on the only way to get it off is to take the clot with it (all types) - I am guessing you understand why that is not such a good idea! If you look at their own evidence they present then it actually acknowledges traditional methods worked. It's a wing and a prayer measure and one hopes in this day and age people are sufficiently kitted out not to have to resort to such measures. It's also a civilian lawsuit waiting to happen. Oh and potential allergic risk too added into that lot.

You would use their bandage if you expected to not be able to evac a casualty for a significant period. Chances of that these days though is pretty small.

I've used this stuff: http://www.celoxmedical.com/eur/ and http://www.hemcon.com/ they work ok in a small specific areas but they don't work as well as a tourniquet. And if the area you've been shot in can't have a tourniquet applied to it well you're ****ed anyways aren't you. :D
 
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OhEsEcks said:
It's better to keep the blood in there than out there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clint_Malarchuk#Neck_incident
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Agent_Smith357 said:
"Many spectators were physically sickened by the sight.There were reports that eleven fans fainted, two more suffered heart attacks and three players vomited on the ice. Local television cameras covering the game cut away from the sight of Malarchuk bleeding after noticing what had happened, and Sabres announcers Ted Darling and Mike Robitaille were audibly shaken. At the production room of the national cable sports highlight show, a producer scrolled his tape back to show the event to two other producers, who both started screaming."

Well that's impressive.
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Why would you do this! I just googled this guy and the video came up.

I have just been sick all over my dog. :(
 
Celox would work as a packing agent and it's not exothermic unlike the stuff that is being linked. You can get granules and they don't need much time they mix with the blood and you get a seal in about 30 secs. You get don't get a nice wound though and I don't know enough about dentistry to say whether that would be a problem over time I am thinking in such an environment it could be.
 
skaif said:
Why would you do this! I just googled this guy and the video came up.

I have just been sick all over my dog. :(
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Never heard of this until just read up about and watched the video, how unlucky was he to get slashed on his carotid artery, but at the same time lucky to be alive, it was like a fountain!

Poor fella tried committing suicide later on in life shot himself in the chin and survived that as well! spiraled into alcoholism and depression/PTSD because of that accident.
 
Ah Hemcon, my favourite! Used Quikclot powder once, horrible stuff and it felt like it had burnt my hand through the latex glove (chemical reaction to the blood on it) but the newer ACS they make was pretty good. I left before I had chance/opportunity to use Celox but I hear good stuff about it.

I seem to remember a case where a civvy was involved in a RTA and a passing Army medic used some Quikclot she had. The A&E staff had not seen it used before and had no idea how to remove it and had to spend valuable time finding out, but how true that was I honestly couldn't say.
 
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