Scrapping of the independent living fund
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Genuine severely disabled people who cannot work and live with parents Will be the only winners from the universal credit/pip switch. They will be £180 a month better off, while the ones who live on their own will be worse off.
I don't see the logic there myself
The money was paid by the ILF direct to the disabled who then could employ who ever they wanted to care for them (friend, care agency ect).
Now the money is going to go straight to the local councils who should use it for care in the home, weather they will use it for that is another matter completely.
Makes me laugh when you get dross like this repeated over and over again. The wealthy wallow in their selfishness? When the wealthy pay by far the largest portion of tax to begin with yet are called selfish.
You can debate the damage of income inequality and I wouldnt disagree with you but there is a moronic reverse snobbery that people like you exhibit. If a wealthy person said you were selfish by not pulling your weight and make a greater contribution to the country and if more of you did so, then the poor would be better catered for, you would think wtf what a load of BS.
Yet you are happy to call a wealthy person whom you don't even know what their contribution is as selfish despite you contributing little to nothing in comparison.
Tories always make sure that the burden of spending cuts falls on the most vulnerable in society. See also their plans to scrap targets on reducing child poverty. Tories gonna tory.
By far?
Eh...i dont like posting crappy articles, but http://www.theguardian.com/money/2014/jun/16/british-public-wrong-rich-poor-tax-research
Lots of false assumptions made there. Guess I touched a nerve. As usual your right wing politics will only chime with the selfish nutters in our society. Empathy is not something that's in your vocabulary, we understand that, so less butt hurt please when someone promulgates an opinion that ruffles your self righteous feathers.
At what point would it be relevant to point out this policy of moving independent living fund expenditure to local councils was implemented under the coalition, not the Tories?
No money is being removed, the only change is that the money is no longer ringfenced and local councils can waste it on other things. Is it really central government's fault if local councils are crap?
No money is being removed, the only change is that the money is no longer ringfenced and local councils can waste it on other things. Is it really central government's fault if local councils are crap?
More dross, its you that has made false assumptions I made none what so ever. I was making the point of you calling out people despite not knowing their contribution or circumstances. No nerve hit at all and I am not right wing in politics either, I just dislike moronic posts like yours that like to come off as some lame moral crusader without any genuine substance and amounts to down with the rich, and up with the poor.
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You're from Darlington. Are you poor?
Lol at the butt hurt.Keep living the dream kid.
Haha who is behaving like a kid, I mean what adult uses words like "butt hurt"? Maybe I'm too old to be "down with the kids"
"I (David Cameron) believe that a good test for any Government is JUDGED upon how it cares for it's most vulnerable in society in good times as well as bad times. He (David Cameron) went onto say : If you are sick, disabled, frail, vulnerable or the POOREST in society you have nothing to FEAR if I (David Cameron) gets into Downing Street as prime minister because I will protect this group of vulnerable people in society once in office.
eh? erm no - have you missed the whole protecting pensions thing?
the elderly are core Tory voters...
It's just the same old story offer carrots to your core voters and do what you like to the people who will never vote for you regardless of which policies you implement.
Lets get one thing straight the three main political parties will sell their own grandmothers to be elected.
Housing benefit should be the target, isn't right that people can live in housing association and council properties and earn loads and still pay a low rent.
And landlords charge too much for properties, they get away with it because they know the councils will just pay it.
Look at the recently (r.i.p) union boss Bob Crow the guy was earning 150k + a year yet only paying a low tax payer subsidized rent.
Council tax should also be income calculated.
Lets get one thing straight the three main political parties will sell their own grandmothers to be elected.
Housing benefit should be the target, isn't right that people can live in housing association and council properties and earn loads and still pay a low rent.
And landlords charge too much for properties, they get away with it because they know the councils will just pay it.
Look at the recently (r.i.p) union boss Bob Crow the guy was earning 150k + a year yet only paying a low tax payer subsidized rent.
Council tax should also be income calculated.
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**Thread dissolves into "baby-eating Tories" vs "lazy ****less spendthrift socialists"**
Absolutely and there is no argument about it, it is a fact. What you posted is tax by percentage of income which isn't what I said. I said they paid the largest portion of tax i.e. the total income tax take. https://www.gov.uk/government/stati...fter-tax-and-income-tax-for-percentile-groups
From the government stats from above, the top 50% pay approx. 90% of all the income tax. Now when you then factor how many of the population is a net contributor https://www.gov.uk/government/stati...1-to-99-for-total-income-before-and-after-tax If you accept that you have to earn about £35k to be a net contributor (taken from the sending foreign nurses home thread), then looking at the spreadsheet from the above government site, then only 22% of the population makes a positive financial contribution to the countries coffers.
Don't get me wrong, without doubt that shows that there is a major problem with income distribution in this country. Also at no point do I say that the wealthy should not look after the less fortunate/well off. All I'm doing it pointing out the governments stats.