'Mini Ice age' UK - Scaremongering?

[Amp34]

I used to work in the oil and gas industry and half the people I met couldn't spell climate, let alone understand the science behind it.

Ok, I'll rephrase then. More than half the people that work in the offices, as opposed to drillers and technicians. Without trying to sound snobby, those with a full academic qualification and more likely to actually have knowledge on the subject.

Either way you are essentially someone pushing against the tide of peer reviewed scientific evidence.

 

[PlacidCasual]

An earlier post asked about predicitve ability of solar activity. The measure used is sun spots and there is a decent record going back 400 years. The number of spots seems to go on a 17 year cycle (from memory). There is also it seems a trend to the cylces themselves. We appear to be going into an unusually calm period for the sun, low numbers of sun spots. This affects the solar winds and cosmic radiation hitting the upper atmosphere. Two historic cold periods coincided with low sun spot activity. There have been a number of theory and science experiments attempting to show a causal link associated with cloud cover. These are not widely accepted but are worthy not kooky science.

The low sun spot activity has heen known about and predicted for a number of years, many stories about cold weather and the sun have been run in many outlets, obviously someone is pushing it again and the MSM herd is responding. You don't need to be a warmist fan boy or a sceptic to be interested in the underlyng science.

 

[Jokester]

They said that last year.

And the year before.

There's already a very strong El Nino pattern that previously has resulted in us getting cold winters (2009/2010 or when ever it was we had the severe winter was one of them).

 

[DXP55]

Bring it on

Logs stores are full to brim and winter wheels are cleaned and polished ready to go.

Also got a new Beany hat.

I rode my Triumph T110 all through winter of 62/63 and never came off once - In March after the thaw I was a bit footrest happy and hit patch of gravel - It was only day I had crash hat on - Took big chunks out of the back of it.

The good old days - youngster of today wouldn't be able to cope

Dave

 

[Rimsy]

This to be honest. When I was a kid in the 80's we had much more snow in the winters than we do now. Winters are noticeably milder than they once were.

Yes - that was my point. I miss real winters where you'd get a few weeks of decent snow cover. Life went on but things looked prettier.

 

[Cat_J]

I find it surprising how many people are so paranoid and shut themselves away from modern science. The figures speak for them selves in many ways, last year we hit 400 parts per million co2 in the air which is continuing to rise. This is the highest since we could measure it.

Its estimated that millions of years ago the atmosphere hit from 900-1200ppm co2, at this level much of the tropics and hotter climates were totally uninhabitable by most creatures on the planet (as fossil records indicate) and they we're way more hardy than us. These are the levels possible predicted by the end of the century if we carry on as we are.

Even if we aren't 100% sure why carry on pumping **** into the planet when we could really start to invest in better technologies, mainly because it isn't profitable for teh oil tycoons. At best we'll probably see the beginning if it, and let our kids and grandkids suffer our shortsightedness.

 

[SonniLombardi]

Well if we do get a mini ice age at least we can go ice skating on the Thames

 

[d_brennen]

Don't they say this every year?

Yes. Last summer it was "worst winter in 100 years" according to the Express

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulhudson/entries/756e3a7a-74c6-3e6f-8c6a-646ddc9f39d5

The only way this could be funnier is that it were the Daily Mail citing falling house prices as the cause of bad weather. Move along folks, nothing to see here

 

[russell664]

Yes. Last summer it was "worst winter in 100 years" according to the Express

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulhudson/entries/756e3a7a-74c6-3e6f-8c6a-646ddc9f39d5

The only way this could be funnier is that it were the Daily Fail citing falling house prices as the cause of bad weather. Move along folks, nothing to see here

Fixed.

 

[wildman]

need to get prepared for the nuclear winter that is coming

http://www.wisefoodstorage.com/4320-serving-package.html

 

[Rroff]

Funny, you talk to a Canadian and the they refuse as to how good the roads are over here because they aren't destroyed by frost and ice.

There are two seasons on the road in Canada, winter and construction...

*facepalm* while I was in Canada one of the things I noticed and had me wondering was how many roads had crazy patterns of cracks and wear looking like something from a 3rd world country despite everything around being modern - the correlation with them getting proper winters never occurred to me at the time :S

 

[joeyjojo]

Answer me this? The industrial revolution caused very little warming when Co2 output was at max. Yet in the 1990`s all of sudden we see global warming and climate change etc

This big ball of earth could take us the cleaners in a instant. The is no climate change its just the earth busting balls!

Are you mad? CO2 emissions in 1800 (middle of the industrial revolution) were nothing compared to today. They started climbing in 1850 and really jumped between about 1950 and 1975.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas#/media/File:Carbon_History_and_Flux_Rev.png

 

[joeyjojo]

Is that 97% of all scientists or just the ones in climate related fields?

Amp34 covered this already but there's more info here if you want:

Survey finds 97% of climate science papers agree warming is man-made

The Earth's had cold and warm periods since long before our ancestors flopped themselves onto dry land. It would be the height of hubris to think that man is responsible for permanently changing such a complex climatic system in the 100 years we've been trashing the place.

That's the number 1 "climate myth".

...So yes, the climate has changed before humans, and in most cases scientists know why. In all cases we see the same association between CO2 levels and global temperatures. And past examples of rapid carbon emissions (just like today) were generally highly destructive to life on Earth.

The Earth is warming rapidly (especially in the oceans). The only plausible explanation is human activity. If things don't change over the next few decades we'll find ourselves (in the coming centuries, so our descendants) with a very different climate to that of the 20th century. This is all pretty certain now.

 

[eatcustard]

Why do people believe what rubbish the papers print, they all said 100 days of snow, and we had none.

Its imposable to predict more than 5 days ahead with any accuracy.

 

[Cat_J]

Why do people believe what rubbish the papers print, they all said 100 days of snow, and we had none.

Its imposable to predict more than 5 days ahead with any accuracy.

I don't think we should even read what the papers print, journalistic responsibility is dead in the mainstream. That doesn't mean we shouldn't listen to the people who actually know what they are talking about, ie through research, not hearsay.

 

[Jim99]

In another of the papers it said scientific papers have suggested temperatures might drop by up to 1C. Which isn't going to make much difference in the great scheme of things.