Not true.
OK, it's nowhere near UK-levels, but the standard of lane discipline in Germany has declined significantly in recent years.
First ever motorist convicted for 'lane hogging'
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OK, it's nowhere near UK-levels, but the standard of lane discipline in Germany has declined significantly in recent years.
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Just had a rather entertaining drive on my M25, good to see police policing the motorways. Rarely ever see any traffic cops these days.
Was cruising along the inside lane at 80mph and undertook someone lost in the wrong lane. Just as I finished a police car pulls up next to me. ****! I've been caught!
Nope. He was there for all those numpties. Was rather interesting following him, come up behind someone in the wrong lane, he'd flash. no response. flash flash. no response. blue lights. aha they noticed! Then he'd pull in front of them and turn on his led matrix to show "DON'T LANE HOG" before moving on to his next target.
So many people lane hogging it was like a disco on the motorway
Was cruising along the inside lane at 80mph and undertook someone lost in the wrong lane. Just as I finished a police car pulls up next to me. ****! I've been caught!
Nope. He was there for all those numpties. Was rather interesting following him, come up behind someone in the wrong lane, he'd flash. no response. flash flash. no response. blue lights. aha they noticed! Then he'd pull in front of them and turn on his led matrix to show "DON'T LANE HOG" before moving on to his next target.
So many people lane hogging it was like a disco on the motorway
Middle lane hoggers annoy me as much as anyone else but how can you say speed doesn't cause problems for other drivers when speed is usually the major contributing factor in road deaths, which by my standard is rather more important than time and money.
Simple equation of chances, the chance of being involved in an accident on the motorway per x miles is much smaller than in the city or on country roads...
Having some idiotic speed limit to save 5 lives extra on the motorway is retarded when far bigger gains can be made on other types of roads, without screwing over the freedom and mobility of motorists on the motorway.
By your logic the speed limit should be reduced everywhere to lower the risk of death in case of an accident. Where do you draw the line between mobility & freedom vs safety ? An unpopular point perhaps from my side, but it is how it is. You will never reduce deaths to zero if we keep moving by cars. Further reduction of the casualties will mean more limiting and draconian measures and limitations for motorists.
Cars have become much safer over the past decades, in my opinion traffic was safe enough a decade ago, why not use that extra space to increase mobility and freedom rather than safety?
Even if you don't agree with that view, there can be other things done to increase safety, without limiting speed limits, speed limits are a major factor yes, but not the only one. If you compare the states within Germany to each other, you'll notice substantial differences, with states like North Rhine-Westphalia having better road safety and less casualties (despite having many stretches with no speed limits) than whole countries that have speed limits.
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I bet you have go faster stripes and a get out of my way sticker on your windscreen.
The car is 8 years old and done 60k+. I wash it once a year and don't really care for cars.
I do go in the inside lane if its clear, but 99% of the time you have some retard doing 60!
I'm all for faster limits on the motorway (80mph) but I think a lot of residential areas need to be reduced from 30mph to something more like we see in European countries (30kmph/18mph). I think 30mph is still too fast down some of our tiny, unfit-for-purpose residential roads. People seem to think they have to go the full 30mph around blind bends, narrow lanes and car parks. Many people also seem to break the limit wherever they are, whether it be 30, 40 or nsl. So if it's 30mph, they're probably going to push it to 35-40,which is of course unacceptable around pedestrians.
If the residential limit was set to 20mph, speeding at 30mph is going to garner a hefty punishment and hopefully deter daft speeds around pedestrians.
The problem with this, is that (as you've addressed later in your post) people don't stick to the limits as they are anyway.
I drive through several 30 zones on my way to work, (at 32 indicated, so pretty much spot on 30 - where it's safe to do so), and practically every day have people right up my **** and overtaking in stupid places!
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The problem with any law is you have to cater for the worst of circumstances not the best. I've owned cars that will haul me down from 100mph in a space the highway code suggests for 60mph and know my reactions are still sharp, not least when I am pushing on. But today we have people eating breakfast and sending a text and I suggest they would need the same distance to stop at 30mph. THAT is the issue on the speed limits thing.
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I hate 40mph everywhere people the most. NSL? 40mph
. Kids getting out from school in a 30 zone? 40mph 
.Just had a rather entertaining drive on my M25, good to see police policing the motorways. Rarely ever see any traffic cops these days.
Was cruising along the inside lane at 80mph and undertook someone lost in the wrong lane. Just as I finished a police car pulls up next to me. ****! I've been caught!
Nope. He was there for all those numpties. Was rather interesting following him, come up behind someone in the wrong lane, he'd flash. no response. flash flash. no response. blue lights. aha they noticed! Then he'd pull in front of them and turn on his led matrix to show "DON'T LANE HOG" before moving on to his next target.
So many people lane hogging it was like a disco on the motorway
Was he doing it to all motorists or just those in the fast lane? I'm not on the M25 much, but when I am I notice everyone in the first 3 lanes are travelling at around the same speed - 70 - due to the volume of cameras. The 4th lane is for those who either know exactly where the cameras are, or just don't care!
I hate 40mph everywhere people the most. NSL? 40mph
This annoys me to no end. 30mph limit? Lets do 40! 40mph limit? 40 sounds good! 50mph limit? 40 you say?! National speed limit? What's that? Lets do 40!
Or even worse when you get those who do 50 in the 30 zone and then they reach the national speed limit zones and they slow down to 40!!
I hate 40mph everywhere people the most. NSL? 40mph
This annoys the hell out of me too, especially on these rural lincolnshire roads, you get people trundling along at 40 on NSL B roads ending up with quite a tailback, as the roads can be quite windy so no easy overtake, causing people to get frustrated and impatient and ending up overtaking in stupid places.
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He was doing it to all motorists who weren't overtaking, whether that be 2nd, 3rd or 4th lane. Was around 9pm so was quiet enough that most people could have easily been sat in the inside line and just overtaken where needed.
The UK is known in some NL communities for being great for that reason, NSL of 60 mph on country roads and not so much limitations/a new speed limit for every dangerous situation or corner, so that the speed limit is just that, a speed limit, and not a target, and drivers can decide themselves what is a ''safe'' limit. In the NL many don't like the fact that every little dangerous situation has a lower posted speed limit and that there is no responsibility for drivers to pick a safe speed themselves but everything is decided for them. ''Safe for conditions'' is better than ''But I was going the speed limit'' as it makes drivers actively anticipate for dangerous situations.
As for the motorway, 80 mph is also still way to slow for most motorways, imho the perfect cruising speed is 90 ish, but a hard limit overall is unnecessary.
Of course, I'm biased because I often visit Warsaw and drive the long Stretch from Rotterdam to there, and seeing as there is no limit on 75% of the stretch in Germany ( and no enforcement on pretty much all of it except a small stretch between Braunschweig and Magdeburg with 3 speed traps) and an 86 mph limit in Poland ( and coppers don't bat an eye if you do 100), the speed limit of 80 mph in the NL just feels terribly slow.
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Or even worse when you get those who do 50 in the 30 zone and then they reach the national speed limit zones and they slow down to 40!!
My Brother in Law used to do this all the time.
He'd be going down a 60 to 70mph A road at 40 mph with a queue of traffic behind him and then he'd get onto an estate and I wouldn't be able to keep up with him.
Fine piece of trolling by a Daily Telegraph columnist on this subject:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring...-Why-Im-proud-to-be-a-middle-lane-hogger.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring...-Why-Im-proud-to-be-a-middle-lane-hogger.html
Because that's a special way of wording contributing factor in deaths does not mean it was a contributing factor in causing the accident.
It just makes the outcome more severe
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How do people like that even have a job? If I came up with complete ******** like that at work I wouldn't expect to be working there for long.