Another muslim terror attack - France

CREATIVE!11 · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:09

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And here we go.

MichaelAwkward · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:10

Thompson_NCL said:
Straw man argument *Yawn* Please try again.

Try what again? You're the one making a ridiculous argument devoid of actual substance.

lemonade · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:13

Thompson_NCL said:
This is extremely short sighted of you. Our invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq came as a consequence of Islamic terrorism and aggression. And if you start to cry 'Imperialism', you ought to keep in mind that it was Islam who originally expanded into the European sphere. They are the original imperialists.

I think you are being very short sighted. You seem to think it started in 2001, it started long long before, 9/11 was a consequence of the Wests action, just look at OBL motives and why he did that and what his goals was.

Iraq posed no threat at all, so how you can say that is justified is beyond me.

As for imperialism, you will find Europeans started that long before, you could say before even the advent of Islam, what were the Romans doing in the Middle East? I'm not going to go into a tit for tat debate, but there was a certain order in the world before, the Ottomans were in charge of most of the Muslim world, which all lived pretty peacefully, but the colonial powers decided at that time to break it all up for their own greed and power, now you have the mess it is today.

Dis86 · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:15

And there we have it! Lemonade already blaming the west/ white man/ Christians/ anyone but the actual disgusting pieces of human effluence themselves

CREATIVE!11 · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:17

Hades said:
I think there will be a major backlash against Islam at some point in the future and muslims of all types (extreme and moderate) will be persecuted for decades.

Yep.

Moderates will be caught up in this too unless they begin to speak out in numbers against these attacks because resentment amongst people is building.

I watched a documentary about it and the problem was some "moderate" muslims agreed the attacks on charlie hebdo were justified. (Ones they interviewed in france).

I'd just deport them instantly lmao...nowhere (Except a few backward places) in the west is any killing seen as justified, we even got rid of the death penalty due to this....that is why you live/move to the west, to be free from storybooks and backwards rules.

lemonade · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:18

MichaelAwkward said:
That still doesn't mean he committed it because he is a Muslim. It would be a factor in his decision making process, but it isn't a definite cause of his act of violence. Like I said before, the person may be mentally ill or otherwise unstable and their personal circumstances are likely to have a large part to play in it.

Much like the guy who was found guilty of decapitating his elderly neighbour because he believed she was Hitler, we can't say he committed that act because of one aspect of his being can we?

Well yes he didn't do it merely because his a Muslim, it's not some sort of a biological trait. But my point was obviously him being a Muslim played some part, afterall if he was Jewish then he wouldnt empathise with Muslims the same way so probably would not do such a thing in the name of Islam or whatever else.

Schlong&Stable · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:20

lemonade said:
I think you are being very short sighted. You seem to think it started in 2001, it started long long before, 9/11 was a consequence of the Wests action, just look at OBL motives and why he did that and what his goals was.

*Facepalm* I've explicitly talked about the long term history of European and Islamic relations. I am being anything but short sighted.

Iraq posed no threat at all, so how you can say that is justified is beyond me.

Please show me where I either said or implied that it was "justified"?

As for imperialism, you will find Europeans started that long before, you could say before even the advent of Islam, what were the Romans doing in the Middle East?

The Romans did not invade Islamic territory, so although it may be true that European imperialism predates Islamic imperialism, it has no relevance to THIS debate. In terms of our relationship with Islam, they attacked us.

I'm not going to go into a tit for tat debate, but there was a certain order in the world before, the Ottomans were in charge of most of the Muslim world, which all lived pretty peacefully, but the colonial powers decided at that time to break it all up for their own greed and power, now you have the mess it is today.

Are you mad? The Ottomans destroyed the Eastern Roman Empire, conquered the Balkans and invaded central Europe. Their aggression was checked by the heroism of European forces and the Ottomans gradual decline. Their predecessors conquered most of Iberia and even tried to invade France.

Also, Britain and France did their best to keep to Ottoman Empire together for nearly a century. We fought a quite famous war to keep the Ottomans in play...

lemonade · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:21

Dis86 said:
And there we have it! Lemonade already blaming the west/ white man/ Christians/ anyone but the actual disgusting pieces of human effluence themselves

Ah yes because the superior west and its superior white indigenous inhabitants have never done anything wrong and never do, its just aliens who are doing it all. It's those pesky uncivilised blacks and brown savages who can only do wrong.

ubersonic · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:21

Thompson_NCL said:
Straw man argument *Yawn* Please try again.

Ill rephrase it.

And he attacked the west because of his religion, not because of politics yes? (it's a no).

Mujja · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:22

deuse said:
That was very bad. But more people have been killed by muslims in Paris then what that nutter did.

If you want numbers, does this count?.

GWB's Christian Crusade

scorza · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:24

lemonade said:
Ah yes because the superior west and its superior white indigenous inhabitants have never done anything wrong and never do, its just aliens who are doing it all. It's those pesky uncivilised blacks and brown savages who can only do wrong.

No-one has said that. Why bring it up in a thread about an Islamic terror attack in France?

Gotta say it's really disappointing to read the reactions of a handful of forum members here. There are times when it feels like I'm posting in the Islamic State Tech Support forum.

Johno please? · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:25

I see im having to post this again, I expect the response will be a rolleyes like normal because no one can ever think of a decent rebuttal.

ubersonic · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:25

Thompson_NCL said:
Our invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq came as a consequence of Islamic terrorism and aggression.

The invasion of Iraq was unprovoked and based on America claims that proved to be fictitious. The invasion of Afghanistan was a consequence of a politically motivated terrorist attack that was itself in response to US politically motivated actions...

Schlong&Stable · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:26

ubersonic said:
Ill rephrase it.

And he attacked the west because of his religion, not because of politics yes? (it's a no).

Islamism is political Islam. There is no separation between politics and religion. So the answer is probably more a yes than a no.

The invasion of Iraq was unprovoked and based on America claims that proved to be fictitious. The invasion of Afghanistan was a consequence of a politically motivated terrorist attack in response to US politically motivated actions...

1. So? This has no relevance to anything I am discussing.
2. I' believe I've just educated you in this misunderstanding with my above comments.

Danthus · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:26

ubersonic said:
What does the fact they are muslim have to do with it? This is just a case of "Terrorist lunatics kill people in France, again".

Islamic fundamentalists are no more Muslims than the Westboro Baptist Church are Christians...

Freefaller said:
Unfortunately, people (the media especially) like to give labels to make it a "thing".

They are Muslim and they commit their acts in the name of Islam.

They aren't media labels as uncomfortable as that may be.

ReltonBFD · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:27

Another one. I'm not even shocked anymore.

Islam clearly isn't compatible with the western world. Feel sorry for the normal moderate westernised Muslims tbh.

I'm sick of this happening but it's our own doing. We meddle in middle eastern matters and are too soft at home.

Johno please? · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:28

ubersonic said:
The invasion of Iraq was unprovoked and based on America claims that proved to be fictitious....

Kinda false actually despite popular belief, there just wasn't warehouses full of WMDs like everyone expected there to be.

ADT · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:29

The usual ignorant fools that dance at the sight of anti Muslim threads/posts are already here by the looks of things. Anyone can claim to be a part of a religion and that doesn't mean anything. It's your actions that define it. The above is not an action of a proper Muslim.

People need to learn the difference

Dis86 · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:29

lemonade said:
Ah yes because the superior west and its superior white indigenous inhabitants have never done anything wrong and never do, its just aliens who are doing it all. It's those pesky uncivilised blacks and brown savages who can only do wrong.

Who committed this act?

lemonade · 26 Jun 2015 at 12:29

scorza said:
No-one has said that. Why bring it up in a thread about an Islamic terror attack in France?

Gotta say it's really disappointing to read the reactions of a handful of forum members here. There are times when it feels like I'm posting in the Islamic State Tech Support forum.

Lol so explain the comments that refer Muslims as the only agressors as if its all a one way street?

I'm also disappointed, threads in GD on particular threads could easily come from stormfront or some other far right nazi website, some posters are quite clearly neo-nazi sympathisers too.