Belgians doctors agree to "assist the dying" of healthy 24yr old with suicidal thoughts

Amp34 said:
If she wants to die, she wants to die. I don't see the problem.
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What a horrible, depressing attitude you have. A lot of people in this thread needs to hang their collective heads in shame :mad:

My ex has had suicidal thoughts since she was 16 and has tried twice to kill herself. On the second time she got very very close. We were separated and going through a divorce when she tried to take her life again and she called me to say goodbye. I managed to call the police/ambulance in the nick of time and they bashed the door in to save her life (100 co-proxamol tablets and a bottle of red wine)

She spent 4 weeks in intensive care and when she finally came round she released what a stupid mistake she made. We still got divorced but she has no more suicidal thoughts and live a much happier life and is engage again.

Some kids don't know what they're missing when they have suicidal thoughts and need to be shown just how awesome life can be.

Life is sacred and needs to be preserved as much as possible, just allowing them to die just because "They want to" is completely disguising the fact that having such thoughts is a mental illness and is throwing away the most amazing, important gift in the universe, the fact they exist in it.
 
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robgmun said:
A lot of people in this thread needs to hang there heads in shame :mad:
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Maybe a lot of people recognise depression is a broad descriptive term for a variety of symptoms, severity of symptoms and longevity of symptoms?

Would we tell someone they were certain to die if they were diagnosed with testicular cancer because we knew someone who had a brain tumour? Would we tell someone they were certain to live when they had stomach cancer because we had a friend who survived skin cancer?

Maybe we should actually examine what the causation is and how things present and actually let the people who are truly qualified to make such judgements to make those judgements.

It's quite amazing people seem to have this notion that people just turn up to a GP say I am feeling depressed and then get passed on as described. Do you not think that maybe every avenue is explored and opportunity given.

The doctors have an oath to do good they also have an oath to do no evil. The devil is in the details of how one manages that on a patient per patient basis.
 
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A mental condition which makes you feel suicidal.

A euthanasia program which allows people who meet the criteria to get killed.

Tell me more about incentives and how good intentions are proof against motivation to the contrary.


It's all very twisted isn't it.
 
Hotwired said:
A mental condition which makes you feel suicidal.

A euthanasia program which allows people who meet the criteria to get killed.

Tell me more about incentives and how good intentions are proof against motivation to the contrary.

It's all very twisted isn't it.
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I don't know. Is it? You've presented nothing to demonstrate it is - just offered another fallacy laden soundbite.

Now you'll have to excuse my presumption here but because you labelled it 'a mental condition' with the presumption it 'makes you feel suicidal' then I am not so sure you are all that au fait with what you are rabbiting on about.
 
The real issue is simply that we've created the problems that make people feel like this in the first place, we shouldn't be focusing on fixing broken people when theres a root cause in a broken society, for too long has medicine been focused on keeping the human body alive at all costs whilst ignoring the mind.

Look at places where people have to fight to survive, and fight they do, sure its tough but what have we lost in our society that the most basic law of life is overwritten?

That said, if someone's body or someones mind has simply become a prison keeping them alive inside their own private hell, maybe we should let them go rather than keeping them in agony.
 
Xordium said:
Now you'll have to excuse my presumption here
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I don't excuse you, you're too easy on the dismissal and the strength of belief that it's all ok because a doctor cleared it.

When you have intense motivation what good are all the good intentions of the program.

Depression has no guarantees on it and is not a death sentence.
 
Life isn't sacred to everyone. Just because one person thinks it's a terrible thing to do and wrong, selfish etc that has no bearing on another person's view.

Yes you might get better, but at that point that's what you want. And you really can't see a way out. Yes there might be, but there might not be.
Not everyone's mind is 'fixable' it isn't necessarily broken, just different.

I would expect many avenues have Ben tried by the time it gets to this point.
 
BigglesPiP said:
I have, and I'm totally aware that we're definitely not being fed the whole story, and healthcare very much is our business. I thought I was making that I'm making assumptions clear with my heavy use of brackets above. I'm more responding to those that bluntly say if she wants to die just let her off the bat, that concept genuinely scares the **** out of me.
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Why? You're never going to realise you made a mistake are you? Once you're dead the decision to die is irrelevant to you, as is anything else.

I'm sure there have been months of consultations, treatment and multiple professionals before she got to this point. If she still believes she wants to die then she should be helped. The idea you should be as to force someone to stay alive when they don't want to confuses me entirely. It's probably the biggest choice you ever get to make and in the UK you're not allowed to make it.
 
Amp34 said:
Why? You're never going to realise you made a mistake are you? Once you're dead the decision to die is irrelevant to you, as is anything else.

I'm sure there have been months of consultations, treatment and multiple professionals before she got to this point. If she still believes she wants to die then she should be helped. The idea you should be as to force someone to stay alive when they don't want to confuses me entirely. It's probably the biggest choice you ever get to make and in the UK you're not allowed to make it.
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Exactly, if it's medically assisted in sure every reasonable thing has been tried.
And also agree that once you are gone that's it. It's exactly that, irrelevant.
 
Hotwired said:
I really have nothing more to say to you if you can only reply with hollow sniping and amazing levels of obtuseness.
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You could try actually replying to the questions. Or actually backing up anything. Hell even explaining why you come to this strange conclusions would be a start. Alternatively carry on deflecting.

Anyway I'll drop you a really clever little tip - you see people's posts at the bottom right there is a button that has the word
on it - that's a cunning use of the English language to suggest to you if you did actually want to quote someone that maybe you should consider pressing that button. Alternatively, you can carry taking screenshots like a complete ****tard. :confused:
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Sorry, but I'm against this.

I am fully in favour of assisted dying for someone who is terminally ill, but when you have nothing physically wrong with you, then the only assistance you should be given by doctors is psychological assistance.

Personally, and I'm sure many will disagree, but I find this sort of thing an affront to people who are genuinely ill or disabled and want nothing more than to have a healthy body. The fact that someone wants to throw theirs away while millions would do anything for one is very sad. If she insists on this, she should be forced to donate her organs to let someone else make use and gain a full life out of what she didn't want.
 
"an affront to people who are genuinely ill"

rofl. Also tell me, how exactly are they even comparable? What does the well being of someone with mental issues have to do, exactly, with anyone else?
 
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Dj_Jestar said:
"an affront to people who are genuinely ill"

rofl. Also tell me, how exactly are they even comparable? What does the well being of someone with mental issues have to do, exactly, with anyone else?
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It's personal. I may well be wrong, but personal circumstances make me feel this way. Let's leave it at that.
 
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