208GTi

rodenal · 2 Jul 2015 at 13:59

It's definitely a car you'd need to drive before commiting to

I'd personally just pick the cheapest of the two as I can't believe there's that much in it going by the base cars.

Voice control in the fiesta is a bit of a gimmick, ours is crap and slow (though maybe it's been improved in later cars) and one thing that absolutely infuriates me in the Ford is the placement of the window switches - bizarrely far back. The climates system is terrible, can't judge internal tempreature well at all. It also pitches and rolls way more than I would like (despite ultimately being quite grippy), but that's probably fixed in the ST - plus jumping out of the Type R most cars move around a lot more.

On the other hand even with 90ish bhp our one feels quite lively, it's got more width to it interior wise than most cars of its size and it's got a nice gearbox despite having a bit of a long throw.

Both the Pug and Ford seem to be at the top of the pile of little hot hatches, can't see the op going wrong with either

Jono8 · 2 Jul 2015 at 14:06

^ the voice control is very good in my ST. Recognises all my music and all my contacts perfectly. Loads easier and safer than any touchscreen. You just press the voice button on the steering wheel and tell it to play whatever song album or artist you want from the 1000's on your usb stick.

Also yes the bodyroll will be better in the ST, obviously. There is hardly any.

But ultimately yes they are both good. OP just needs to decide which features/characteristics he wants most.

rodenal · 2 Jul 2015 at 14:10

Sounds much improved - in ours you have to follow a sequence of commands, painfully waiting for it to acknowledge the last one before moving on meaning it takes 30 seconds + to change the temperature or to find a specific station / song. Never gets used.

Jono8 · 2 Jul 2015 at 14:21

Ah. On mine you just press the voice button and say "play track *track name*" and it plays that track or "call *contact name* and it calls that person. It also reads out texts to you which can reply to aswell.

Think they streamlined it to make it quicker / easier though as you cant control the climate control with it anymore.

Diagro · 2 Jul 2015 at 14:48

ok, Well the Leasing company came back to me and adjusted the Quote based on My Extra miles and what not.

Comes in at £213.
Add the Processing Fee its £226 Per month over all. Which is £4068 over 18 months. They wanted £310 for a 24 month lease :O

Only problem is the car is white. And im not a fan of white cars.

Dr Who · 2 Jul 2015 at 15:05

Eliot said:
But at least every hot hatch in the last 13 years has weighed over a tonne
Even a 106gti (a smaller car segment) weighed over a tonne.

It is actually one of the lightest in this generation.

Pretty sure it wasn't over a tonne as the heaviest 106 (diesel with iron block) was only 950kg.

EDIT: Kerb Weight is 925kg

rodenal · 2 Jul 2015 at 15:06

Hmm

Would a nearly new one lose that much over 18 months? (or fiesta) Not sure it stacks up

You can buy one fro £17.5k on drive the deal (white, no options which I assume is your car) - Apr of about 4% if you take pcp which would could be tailored to give you a similar duration

ST-3 (again free colour, no options) is £1500 cheaper to start with, then a similar pcp apr or 0% HP but you'll need to add £400 to the base price.

The cheapest 2 year old ST-3 I can see for sale in the country is about £14k - lets say you'd get £1.5k less than that either for private sale or trade in against something else, it would lose 3.4k plus the interest you paid on the loan over that period (which is longer than the lease you've looked at above)

The Pug can be had 2 years old for similar money - so if you're sure that it's the car you want it probably works out pretty well as that would be a theoretical £5k plus the cost of borrowing. Assuming (wrongly) that you can just extend out the monthly element of the lease it's very similar in terms of cost

Diagro · 2 Jul 2015 at 15:16

rodenal said:
Hmm

Would a nearly new one lose that much over 18 months? (or fiesta) Not sure it stacks up

You can buy one fro £17.5k on drive the deal (white, no options which I assume is your car) - Apr of about 4% if you take pcp which would could be tailored to give you a similar duration

ST-3 (again free colour, no options) is £1500 cheaper to start with, then a similar pcp apr or 0% HP but you'll need to add £400 to the base price.

where from dude?

rodenal · 2 Jul 2015 at 15:21

Both from drivethedeal - check the other brokers too

Jono8 · 2 Jul 2015 at 17:36

rodenal said:
Hmm

Would a nearly new one lose that much over 18 months? (or fiesta) Not sure it stacks up

You can buy one fro £17.5k on drive the deal (white, no options which I assume is your car) - Apr of about 4% if you take pcp which would could be tailored to give you a similar duration

ST-3 (again free colour, no options) is £1500 cheaper to start with, then a similar pcp apr or 0% HP but you'll need to add £400 to the base price.

For the 0% apr deal, you need to add £525 more on the base price + you need 50% up front (so £8,250 deposit) and the pay £350 a month for 24 months.

Still a brilliant deal if you have that much to put down up front and can afford those monthly payments. I might have been tempted to go with that 0%HP offer if it was available when I bought mine 4 months ago.

I paid £16,480 for an ST-3 with style pack, rear parking sensors and spare wheel in March on pcp from my local dealer. Taking into account used prices it worked out the same if not cheaper than leasing, and gave me the flexibility of keeping it, modifying it etc ( I will be keeping it).

rodenal · 2 Jul 2015 at 17:41

Said £4xx on the site, though if that was plus vat it makes sense. Never seen the minimum deposit but I spent no longer than 3 seconds reading it

Jono8 · 2 Jul 2015 at 17:44

rodenal said:
Said £4xx on the site, though if that was plus vat it makes sense. Never seen the minimum deposit but I spent no longer than 3 seconds reading it

"2. 0% APR Representative Finance on Acquire (Hire Purchase) over 24 months with a minimum 50% deposit. However, you will lose £525 on Zetec S & ST models and £430 on ALL OTHER models of the discount quoted if you take this finance deal instead of a 4.3% APR PCP/Cashplan finance"

Still a very good deal with 0% apr, because to be honest with PCP you still have to find a similar lump sum but just at the end if you want to keep it.

In fact on Drivethedeal the Fiesta ST3 is £1500 cheaper than both the 208GTI prestige and Clio200 lux, and yet has won pretty much every hot hatch battle done by the motoring press that I have read and watched. The ST always comes out on top, is cheaper and can be made more powerful than the other two , in warranty, for only £600.

rodenal · 2 Jul 2015 at 17:53

That's what makes it more appealing for a purchase IMO - it values much the same as the others at two years old so has lost less at that purchase price

The Clio just looks crap all round imo, they need to ditch that box as they clearly can't get it working right

Lima · 3 Jul 2015 at 11:22

Diagro said:
What do people think of the new 208GTi?

It does decent mpg, looks cool and have decent performance.

I have been offered one on lease at 201 per month with 1 month down.

OP I have a 208gti.

I absolutely love it. Its on par with the fiesta ST it just comes down to personal preference. It's ever so slightly faster than the ST (unless montuned). MPG is really good if you drive sensibly.... Which I never do, but even when you drive it like you stole it it's not too bad.

is there any dealers with them near you? If not and you live near me your welcome to come have a look etc.

Edit - one deciding factor for me was that you see STs everywhere, they are quite common. Then on top of that the zetec S's and 1.0litre ecoboosts look very similar to the ST....so in short, you see fiestas everywhere. Since I bought my 208 in August last year, I've only seen 3 others on the road and I like the fact it's a bit rare.

Jono8 · 3 Jul 2015 at 11:50

Lima said:
Edit - one deciding factor for me was that you see STs everywhere, they are quite common. Then on top of that the zetec S's and 1.0litre ecoboosts look very similar to the ST.....

But the 208 GTi looks very similar to every other 208 model unless you look closely

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Lima · 3 Jul 2015 at 11:56

Jono8 said:
But the 208 GTi looks very similar to every other 208 model unless you look closely .

No it's far sexier

Did you buy the ST after you test drove both? I remember having a debate with you before about GTI v ST lol

Diagro · 3 Jul 2015 at 12:33

Lima said:
OP I have a 208gti.

I absolutely love it. Its on par with the fiesta ST it just comes down to personal preference. It's ever so slightly faster than the ST (unless montuned). MPG is really good if you drive sensibly.... Which I never do, but even when you drive it like you stole it it's not too bad.

is there any dealers with them near you? If not and you live near me your welcome to come have a look etc.

Edit - one deciding factor for me was that you see STs everywhere, they are quite common. Then on top of that the zetec S's and 1.0litre ecoboosts look very similar to the ST....so in short, you see fiestas everywhere. Since I bought my 208 in August last year, I've only seen 3 others on the road and I like the fact it's a bit rare.

What Mpg do you get if you drive say 70Mph on the motorway? 30 of my 45 daily miles is on the M69 / A46

Its £213 for this Gti per month. Im stuck on the fence!

Jono8 · 3 Jul 2015 at 12:39

Lima said:
No it's far sexier

Did you buy the ST after you test drove both? I remember having a debate with you before about GTI v ST lol

Yes. Mainly because the ST was cheaper, could be remapped to 215bhp/320nm torque within warranty and it felt a bit better in corners/more "hardcore" suspension wise. I also preferred the seats and the exterior styling of the ST (but that is obviously very subjective.)

I did like the 208GTi though, the interior felt more premium/expensive and it is a bit more understated compared to the ST which can sometimes be a good thing.

I don't think you can really go wrong with either but the ST had more 'pros' for me.

* Edit - Also you can extend the manufacturers warranty on the Fiesta to 5 years/100,000 miles for something silly like ~£250 and as I intend to keep the car for a long while that was a pretty big plus. There seemed to be no such way to do this with the Peugeot, at least no where near as cheap as that.

Lima · 3 Jul 2015 at 13:02

Diagro said:
What Mpg do you get if you drive say 70Mph on the motorway? 30 of my 45 daily miles is on the M69 / A46

Its £213 for this Gti per month. Im stuck on the fence!

Not sure about MPG as I get the train to work and every time I'm in the car I rag hell out of it. I can drive 'sensible' for a bit and find out for you if you like?

For reference, my GTI is £175 per month over 4 years. I paid £3k deposit.

Jono8 · 3 Jul 2015 at 13:45

Diagro said:
What Mpg do you get if you drive say 70Mph on the motorway? 30 of my 45 daily miles is on the M69 / A46

Its £213 for this Gti per month. Im stuck on the fence!

In my Fiesta ST I get about 42mpg for my work commute which is a mix of 70mph dual carriageways and about 10 minutes of b road blasting. This is without babying it and actually having some fun so I reckon it could do more.

On a 400mile round trip to devon I got 45.5mpg.