Poll: Fox Hunting

[Sankari]

Slay them! SLAY THEM ALL!

 

[Danthus]

I am anti letting a pack of dogs maul a fox to death.

 

[Cosimo]

Let the hunters continue to feel the pain.

 

[atpbx]

I have no opinion on this.

The ban wasn't based on anything other than being a slap in the face to the so called "toffs", but I don't really care either way.
On the one hand, yeah foxes are a pain in the arse, on the other hand, I've had my fair share of people running hunts getting in my way and generally angling for some agro that I've had to deal with over the years.
So, yeah, I don't care either way.

 

[DJMK4]

I dont mind hunting with guns, I reserve the right of this, having come from a hunting background with a rifle, or a shotgun, saying that I have never really got the hunting with dogs saga.

I am not really pro fox hunting on horseback and pack of dogs.

Although with a gun, I would say I am pro hunting foxes

 

[The_Abyss]

I hope the current legislation remains in place, but there's enough feeling on the issue to warrant the free vote. The ban was under a Labour government, and this vote will be under a Conservation. I hope the outcome is that the law remains as is, and that the fact that we've had another vote will put the issue to bed once and for all.

I can, to some extent, emphasis with the arguments of heritage and tradition, but if fox hunting never existed and was proposed as new legislation today I don't think there'd be a great deal of support.

Genetically reengineering foxes to feast on flu-stricken badgers and showing the results live on Channel 5 would probably be more popular!

 

[Schlong&Stable]

Disgusting blood "sport" that has no place in a loving and civilized society.

A loving society?

Torturing and then killing any sentient being for entertainment is as pathetic as it is sick!

Do predators "torture" their prey I wonder?

Torturing and killing defenseless animals is also a common trait with young serial killers and psychopaths before they progress onto humans, it's hardly something we want to be encouraging or exposing young children too!!

It is not torture.

As for controlling numbers that is a straw-man argument which holds no water, the foot & mouth outbreak a few years ago put that disingenuous lie to bed !!

Whut?

 

[Schlong&Stable]

Fox hunting has nothing to do with controlling populations. It is extremely inefficient and is far more to do with the enjoyment of a select few at the cost of terrifying a small creature. A correctly placed .223 is a far more humane and effective means of controlling the population.

Where did I say this has to do with population control? I said that as long as the populations were sustainable, then its fine to hunt them.

And look, many animals naturally live in a state of fear. Its not like foxes would normally strut about the countryside without a care in the world.

I do agree with your views on farming techniques and must admit to not doing enough myself in that respect. If we were allowed to vote on it (the ban of factory farming/improved animal welfare) I would vote yes to a ban on that as well.

It won't happen as the general public wouldn't pay the increased costs for the end product.

I didn't say I disapproved of our farming techniques. Britain has an excellent record on animal welfare in the farming industry.

 

[RDM]

I find fox hunting abhorrent. I can't understand the thrill of watching a pack of dogs rip an exhausted, terrified animal apart.

The thrill is in the chase not the kill. For those that ride it can be exhilarating as you don't know what route or terrain the hunt will go other.

 

[McGray]

The thrill is in the chase not the kill. For those that ride it can be exhilarating as you don't know what route or terrain the hunt will go other.

Shame something has to die for that cheap thrill eh?

If you read in the paper about a group of youths on some council estate setting their dogs onto a defenceless animal and killing it, most rational people would be appalled.

 

[Belly]

I think that if the law is changed and fox hunting is permitted anti fox hunting people like myself should be allowed to hunt “men in pink” too.

We’d use the same pack of hounds, round up someone from the fox hunting fraternity (double barrelled name, stiff upper lipped chinless wonder type) smear him, or preferably her, in essence of Bonio biscuits and give them ten minutes start on Dartmoor.

Perhaps a trial run could be put in place before the vote in parliament?

All those in favour say EYE.

 

[Belly]

BTW didn't the Tories shoot the Labour fox yesterday?

 

[Dis86]

If you don't like fox hunting then don't go on a fox hunt.

(Isn't that the way logic works on these things?)

Not really. As you can you know...object to something happening without witnessing it!

 

[spudbynight]

Not really. As you can you know...object to something happening without witnessing it!

Tell me how a fox hunt impacts on your life?

You just want to impose your own, outdated, sense of morality on others.

 

[elmarko]

Fox hunting is absolutely not about pest control - if it were then hunts wouldn't be breeding foxes to hunt.

This tbh.

Anybody who believes this is about pest control is deluding themselves.

If this forum is 75% in favour then I'd imagine the overall population will be closer to 90% in favour (due to how much the forum is bias towards Conservative & unrepresentative Labour voters, who are historically usually against fox huntings).

As there is no public appetite in favour of Fox Hunting, quite the opposite in-fact - I can imagine them annoying a number of their voter base to appease a minority of donors/friends.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

I thought that they are not bred but there are artificial dens on hunting grounds to ensure there is something to hunt.

There is definitely merit in pest control, there is just absolutely no reason to do it cruelly/for sport/with hounds.

 

[Sliver]

A cruel and barbaric practice. Glad it's got no chance of being repealed.

 

[Elixir]

If you can tell us where to get our tech from somewhere other than 'China', I'd say we'd all try and buy from it, it's easier said than done when 90% of tech is now made in Asia.

Same for clothes, half the time you don't know where it's made until you buy it (especially if bought online) and a large majority of 'mass produced' clothing is made in these poorer countries. You can't even be sure high end brands aren't made there either.

Well yes, but it comes from there because they can out-price the rest of the world and the thought of paying 100 pounds more for a phone is enough to make people forget about the working conditions.

The truth is you just don't care enough to sacrifice your lifestyle.

 

[Yaayuh!]

I hope it's banned forever, it's disgusting.

There is definitely merit in pest control, there is just absolutely no reason to do it cruelly/for sport/with hounds.

There is a point where i'm sure people could do more to protect their livestock though. But "pest control" is easier, cheap and more fun i'm sure. But i agree where sheep are concerned, there's only so much they can do, which is a shame really.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

Well yes, but it comes from there because they can out-price the rest of the world and the thought of paying 100 pounds more for a phone is enough to make people forget about the working conditions.

The truth is you just don't care enough to sacrifice your lifestyle.

OT

TBH a lot of these companies that use cheap labour (child or adult) actually greatly improve many local communities in developing countries. I am half Filipino and regularly go back to visit family. I have seen first hand the effects these giant companies which exploit cheap labour have there. There are whole communities that only survive because of these companies. No one pretends that these companies do it out of the goodness of their heart, only that the relationship is mutually beneficial. What many people in the west don't realise, is that if these kids/adults didn't have the jobs then there would be no way to feed their family. There certainly isn't the luxury of schools and fair employment everywhere in the world and being employed by Nike is fairer than any other option available to them sometimes.

There is a point where i'm sure people could do more to protect their livestock though. But "pest control" is easier, cheap and more fun i'm sure. But i agree where sheep are concerned, there's only so much they can do, which is a shame really.

Pest control isn't just about livestock. Here in Surrey there are many many foxes. Every bin day there is food scattered all over the streets from where foxes have gotten into the waste food bins. People in my local community have started seeing rats more and more due to the free food made available to them. My cat has been attacked twice and my gf's dog has been attacked once already this year by a fox. A good friend of mine works in a vet round the corner in Weybridge and she has told me that there has been a significant rise in cases where foxes cause injuries to pets. This time of year you can hear them most evening shrieking to one another.

Some idiot mum let her 7 year old kid try and pet one while waiting for school to start, obviously the child received a couple of nips.

My main concern is disease and cleanliness more than anything else. I am just sick of finding banana peals and melon husks on my driveway each morning