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EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti Kingpin Edition Launched

D3K said:
And for that reason EVGA, I'm out.

Inno3D or MSI hybrid for me, whichever comes first (and doesn't screw us over AISC).
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Inno hybrids are now with our forwarder and landing Tuesday.

EVGA taking mick with charging for ASIC as it has little relevance of oc ability and only boost speeds out the box.
 
ubersonic said:
Well to be fair, you could buy a "72%+" card and get higher ASIC than the people who paid the extra $200 for the "80%+" model so there's still a lottery element to it (not sure if that's actually a good thing though).
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How do you figure that?

I doubt it. It depends how rare 80% chips are I guess, but if they are testing every chip they get from nvidia to be able to cherry pick 80% chips for the $1000 cards, I doubt they are letting any 80% chips slip through to any of the lower echelons.

That's the problem with this pricing model - it suggests that they've removed all of the high asic chips from general circulation.

Of course, ASIC doesn't guarantee a high/low overclock as there are plenty of people hitting 1500+ with "low" asic cards as well anyway. It's just that for people who aren't prepared to pay $1000+ for an EVGA 980ti, it suggests that they consider all of their other cards to be 2nd class citizens.

It's a problem with the whole "kingpin" branding right from the start. The classified used to be the "bonkers" card with all the extra power phases and binned chips. Then when they did the first kingpin, the classified that came out that year was only really comparable with most people's after market cards, but it still carried the classified price premium, then they announced the kingpin edition that actually had all the extra power phases and binned chips and an even heftier price tag. And now this again, stacking even more pricing on to guarantee you get a binned chip, which you should be getting on such an expensive card anyway.

Fair play to them if they are getting away with it, but for me personally it means I have zero interest in getting EVGA cards any more as basically what they are saying is that if you want to get a "good" clocker you need to avoid anything that is reasonably priced compared with MSI/Galaxy etc. and pay double the price for a card that can get maybe 10% extra clocks.

For people who LN2, then yeah they've created a niche market for themselves, but in the process they've devalued their entire brand, imo.

If all they'd done is said that kingpin cards have a guaranteed 80% binned chip at the normal kingpin price then that would be fair enough and would suggest that there were enough 80% chips to go around as well, but the way they've done this very much suggests that the only way to get an 80% chip from EVGA is to pay massively over the odds for one.
 
ubersonic said:
Well to be fair, you could buy a "72%+" card and get higher ASIC than the people who paid the extra $200 for the "80%+" model so there's still a lottery element to it (not sure if that's actually a good thing though).
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Would be unlikely as all cards above 72% will be binned so why would they put a 80%+ ASIC card in the 72%+ pile when they can make an extra $200 on it.
 
I considered picking up the 980 GTX KPE at $500 as it was on offer, but apparently that is limited to USA only. Europe is being shafted with their prices also, but that is another story entirely.
 
ubersonic said:
Because 72+ guarantees a number higher than 72, and 80+ guarantees a number higher than 80, so it's entirely possible (though the odds are against it) that one guy could buy a 72+ card with an ASIC of 85 and another guy could buy an 80+ card with an ASIC of 82.
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that's the thing, the way they have that set up, I don't think it is "entirely possible"... I think they have the kingpin cards setup so that if you buy an 80+ chip you get 80+ and if you only pay for the 72+ you get 72-73, I don't think there is any chance at all that if you pay for a 72 you'll get an 80, as Aya says, why would they put a $1000 card in the $800 pile, that would just be poor stock management
 
Yeah, let's not get too ridiculous here. It's bad enough as it is without the prospect of people coming on to the forums and smiley facing because they've got a circa 80% asic when they hadn't paid for one.


*Circus Music*
 
andybird123 said:
that's the thing, the way they have that set up, I don't think it is "entirely possible"... I think they have the kingpin cards setup so that if you buy an 80+ chip you get 80+ and if you only pay for the 72+ you get 72-73, I don't think there is any chance at all that if you pay for a 72 you'll get an 80, as Aya says, why would they put a $1000 card in the $800 pile, that would just be poor stock management
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The thing you have to remember though is that the amount of GPUs available vastly exceeds the amount of Kingpin boards being made.

It's basically a con, if they are binning GPUs they are not gonna say "damn we have more 80+ GPUs than cards to put them on, better stick em in the FTW+ pile so the Kingpin 72+ boys don't get a good card", they will just put the 80+ GPU in the 72+ card, the whole thing is a con to make the Kingpin buyers pay more money in the hope they will get a few % higher on the ASIC.

Not that the Kingpin cards weren't already a con, being essentially just potentially higher binned classifieds.
 
ubersonic said:
Not that the Kingpin cards weren't already a con, being essentially just potentially higher binned classifieds.
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again, that is the other problem... the "new" classified boards are only as good as most other manufacturers "normal" OC boards, the new kingpin boards are the upgraded overclockers boards in line with what the "old" classifieds used to be, but at a higher price... EVGA seem to want to keep finding ways of charging more than they used to for effectively the same thing
 
Well EVGA must have been hoping this new idea would shift a lot of cards, and I think they were right, Lightning 980ti sales will benefit a lot from this XD
 
andybird123 said:
again, that is the other problem... the "new" classified boards are only as good as most other manufacturers "normal" OC boards, the new kingpin boards are the upgraded overclockers boards in line with what the "old" classifieds used to be, but at a higher price... EVGA seem to want to keep finding ways of charging more than they used to for effectively the same thing
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EVGA like Corsair are excellent at marketing. :)

For me at these prices I'd just buy a Titan X !
 
The real kicker is and I think Pack our resident ragger would concur with is that EVGA BIOS at least with GM204 and prior have been lacking. Strix and other AIBP options have been exceptional, but like Gibbo says, EVGA are very good at selling to you. If not because of a reputation built up through exceptional products. It's just right now, generally it's hard to justify. Especially this new ASIC quality, total nonsense.
 
At first I thought charging extra for higher ASIC was photoshopped, a joke made within the community. But it's actually real..and I think that's an even bigger joke.
 
I always find it bizarre when companies do this kind of nonsense, purely from the POV that all they had to do was have a community rep on any forum say "hey guys, we're thinking of doing [this], opinions?" and they would have instantly discovered it was a stupid idea that would damage their sales and brand image/confidence.
 
Silent_Scone said:
LN2 scores are so irrelevant to industry performance. They're symbolic for what is possible and good for certain peoples repertoire but in terms of meaningful performance they're ridiculed by their impracticability. The leagues are fast becoming a name sake for AIBP to promote products in general. It's a testament to individuals abilities. I never compare cold runs to usable performance, it's pointless.
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Bang on
 
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