The labour Leader thread...

I'm looking forward to Liz Kendall coming a distant last, hopefully resulting in the people who claim Labour need to "be more like the Tories" to shut up and just join or vote for the Conservatives.

I can see Corbyn being good in opposition. Someone needs to keep Cameron and co. in check in PMQs rather than apologising for things and agreeing with the government on everything.
 
easyrider said:
Grass roots
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... hero to the rescue...

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Tacitus said:
I think Labour need to stop apologising for overspending in government and being on the back foot all the time when there's five years of Conservative government sitting there not being properly criticised. Stop taking the blame for "getting us into this mess in the first place" and defend Blair/Brown's record. Who is there bigging up the National Minimum Wage, which Cameron at the time disagreed with, who is talking about the improving educational standards, the improvements made to the NHS, the saving of the banks come the crash? Why is it only now they've started realising Goldman Sachs didn't crash because Blair/Brown spent money improving some of the fundamental pillar-stones of British society?
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I think what is actually the case, is labour spent an awful lot of money TRYING to improve things with all the best intentions.
But what all that money resulted in was an awful lot of paper shuffling, moving around of numbers, "KPI exercises", target manipulation and false reporting by those below them.

It wasn't unusual to read accounts of people waiting 3 and 4 years for routine operations under labour and those waits not being recorded because they were being bounced around endless consultations and not referred for treatment as the treatment could not be delivered in the targeted time scale.
Meaning the patient, although WAITING for 3 years, was not ACTUALLY waiting, because they were being held off the waiting list.
A lot of cases were left till the patient was incapacitated or became an emergency case before they got treated.

Not labours fault, but a result of the way they tried to deliver improvements, not just in the NHS, but in everything they did.
 
I'm sure there were cases where statistics were gamed but Labour did do a lot to improve the NHS. If nothing else, staff morale in the NHS was much greater during Labour's time in office.
 
I do not recognise the three as Tory lite, more Labour lite.

I lived and worked in Leigh in the 1970's and Andy Burnhams predecessor Lawrence Cunliffe was a socialist of the old order. Leigh was a pit town at that time of course and now is much changed. However you could elect a dog with a red rosette there still.
 
ReltonBFD said:
I can't see Labour lasting much longer if it goes to the left with Corbyn , ld see it splitting and I'd love it.

Hope so can't stand them .

Corbyn appeals because he has values which he stands by , a man of principles basically .

The rest are complete to$$ers who will say everything and anything to get a vote.
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Yes, a man who puts ideology ahead of what is right.

He divorced his wife because she sent the children to a grammar school. He wanted them sent to the local failing comprehensive.

The man is a nutcase.
 
spudbynight said:
Yes, a man who puts ideology ahead of what is right.

He divorced his wife because she sent the children to a grammar school. He wanted them sent to the local failing comprehensive.

The man is a nutcase.
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I thought he was off his trolley to start with, but I can't see anyone being so, utterly stupid to do something like that.
 
I think the average person on the street is just generally disgusted with the antics our politicians get up to. So a vote for Corbyn is actually a vote to resurrect positive opinion of a Politician. When all the rest of the slippery insidious scum were claiming thousands in the expenses scandal...Corbyn claimed £8.95. If Labour tries to win the centre they will never get Scotland back...they need Scotland to get in power.

I have more respect for a party that stands by its values and falls by them rather than changing **** every time the wind blows in a different direction. Because thats a party that couldnt give a **** and doesn't believe in anything and just panders to populism.
 
spudbynight said:
Yes, a man who puts ideology ahead of what is right.

He divorced his wife because she sent the children to a grammar school. He wanted them sent to the local failing comprehensive.

The man is a nutcase.
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I'm absolutely sure that was the only reason they got divorced, yep, no other problems at all in their marriage...

Someones been reading the daily fail again :rolleyes:
 
atpbx said:
I thought he was off his trolley to start with, but I can't see anyone being so, utterly stupid to do something like that.
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It would probably be utterly stupid to believe the relationship will have broken down entirely because of that one thing, to be honest. It's a rather reductive assumption, really.
 
Surfer said:
If Labour tries to win the centre they will never get Scotland back...they need Scotland to get in power.
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The thing is, with the exception of Scotland Labour actually improved a lot on 2010, and the reason they lost Scotland wasn't because Scotland didn't want Labour, it's because the SNP ran a campaign of "Want Labour? vote SNP and you'll get Labour plus some nice deals for Scotland!" so many Labour voters switched to the SNP because who wouldn't with that offer on the table. Nobody thought the tories were going to win it, not even the tories.
 
Freakbro said:
I'm absolutely sure that was the only reason they got divorced, yep, no other problems at all in their marriage...

Someones been reading the daily fail again :rolleyes:
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Quite:-

He told the Observer at the time: "We agreed amicably to separate on the grounds that we were incompatible. There were other problems.
"In lots of cases where people separate if is not for one reason alone.
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atpbx said:
Yes, thats what i am saying. Nobody is that stupid.
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Labour MP Jeremy Corbyn confirmed yesterday that he and his wife have separated after a disagreement over whether their son should be educated at one of the country's best grammar schools or at the local inner city comprehensive.
His wife, Claudia Bracchita, admitted that conflicting views on their eldest son's schooling were a key element in the collapse of their 12-year marriage.
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Seems pretty stupid to me.

The man is a nutter who wanted to put principle ahead of the well-being of his own child. Can you imagine the havoc a man like this could wreak if he was PM?
 
spudbynight said:
Seems pretty stupid to me.

The man is a nutter who wanted to put principle ahead of the well-being of his own child. Can you imagine the havoc a man like this could wreak if he was PM?
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I don't think he's a nutter and having princilpes and wanting the best for your child are not mutually exclusive.

It could even be argued that taking the principled stance is taking a longer view at "what's best for the child" rather than taking the easy, short term solution (something politicians are worryingly accomplished at).

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Has Corbyn refuted this at any point?
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He's said it wasn't the only reason - see my post above.

But again, good on him for not trying to worm his way out of it when the media went crazy over it.



I really don't want to see another Blairite leading Labour - Blair was the best leader the Tories never had. But I have no say in it, as I've never been a member of the Labour party - although I might join if Corbyn wins.
 
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spudbynight said:
Seems pretty stupid to me.

The man is a nutter who wanted to put principle ahead of the well-being of his own child. Can you imagine the havoc a man like this could wreak if he was PM?
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This smacks of desperation, but I'm used to you being wrong in every thread about every topic so I won't lose any sleep over it.

I have to admit, I do secretly find it amusing that many Conservative voters seem unable to understand the concept of having principles, quite telling tbh.
 
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