Newcastle mass murder plot - no terrorism ere mate

lol arguing symantics now.

It's not semantics it's a definition ...

A definition you was happy to use until it was pointed out by everyone it doesn't apply to your argument.

lol zoomee showing his ineptitude as ever. Not the brightest button in the box are you.
 
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roflmao - usual GD'ers in first I see with their blinkers on.

The definition of terrorism is highly debatable:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_terrorism

But lets make one thing clear - its doesn't necessarily have to be to be classed a political motive to be terrorism.

terrorism is a pejorative term. It is a word with intrinsically negative connotations that is generally applied to one's enemies and opponents, or to those with whom one disagrees and would otherwise prefer to ignore. (...) Hence the decision to call someone or label some organization 'terrorist' becomes almost unavoidably subjective, depending largely on whether one sympathizes with or opposes the person/group/cause concerned. If one identifies with the victim of the violence, for example, then the act is terrorism. If, however, one identifies with the perpetrator, the violent act is regarded in a more sympathetic, if not positive (or, at the worst, an ambivalent) light; and it is not terrorism.

Guess its not terrorism as you can identify yourselves with the perpetrator? Only Tefal so far has condemned this criminal act, the rest of you have been too busy trying to find holes in the original post lol.

Guy plans on mass indiscriminate murder with bombs and other horrific weapons and its still not seen as terrorism as its just a 'caucasian teenager with mental problems'.
 
Guy plans on mass indiscriminate murder with bombs and other horrific weapons and its still not seen as terrorism as its just a 'caucasian teenager with mental problems'.

You say that like seeing it as a teenager with mental issues isn't a big deal. It is a big deal. It's not just a teenager with psychotic mental health issues.

Nobody finds it any less abhorrent.

It's not a terrorist attack, but that doesn't make it any less serious or any less of an issue. It just makes it different, not better.
 
Surprised this hasn't been posted already - no muslamics to blame I guess.

Like to see the double standards in the media when it comes to reporting terrorism is still biased.

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/teenager-guilty-of-college-massacre-plot/ar-AAdILyS

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-33718094

No mention of the word terrorism by Sky news, MSN or the BBC. He was mentally unstable excuses coming out in the comments section lol. Wonder what religion he was......

Wonder how the PREVENT strategy will now be adjusted to force school teachers to monitor this type of threat from 'teenagers' - oh wait, Guess you need to be muslim for it to be classed as terrorism, nothing to see here.

Shouldn't you be resting rather than getting worked up about the persecution of Muslims in the UK?

Yeah, it's a pretty scary incident, especially how easily he was able to obtain gun parts. Don't think this fits the definition of terrorism though - just another young man with mental health issues who wants to kick out at the world for no reason.
 
Wait wot a Muslamix wasn't involved in a terrorist plot and it has been posted on OCUK. Somebody stop the press, we can't have any of that 'ere.
 
Surprised this hasn't been posted already - no muslamics to blame I guess.

Says the article was posted 3 hours ago. Hardly that surprising.

He was mentally unstable excuses coming out in the comments section lol.

So you think the people who plan to mass murder and dont leave their house for months are mentally stable? :rolleyes:

Nothing to do with terrorism, just a mentally unstable kid.


Not that there's any point in discussing the story as this is just an attention seeking troll thread, but its pretty scary that he managed to buy a gun online and claimed it was as easy as buying a bar of chocolate :eek:.
 
The definition of terrorism is highly debatable:

not really for the specific criminal act.

See we treat terrorism differently to a normal killing because it implies a certain acceptance of more responsibility.

A man who finds his wife in bed with another and kills them both, or a kid whos bullied and murders hiss tormenters is wrong and someone to be pitied and punished.

But a terrorist is someone who consciously decides to kill to further their ideological beliefs, typically for a greater organisation.

this puts them more akin to soldiers in a war than normal killers, and their assessment of civilian killings as a useful tool to achieve their ends makes them more cold blooded.

classing any killing even a mass one as a terror incident devalues the issue of actual terrorist attacks.


Only Tefal so far has condemned this criminal act, the rest of you have been too busy trying to find holes in the original post lol.

including yourself i would point out. you don't care about his actions, hell you don't even care about his motivations all you care about is his skin color and his religion (or lack thereof) you are just as guilty of what you're accusing others of.


In fact i'd go as far to say you seem gleeful, and even happy about this.
 
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You say that like seeing it as a teenager with mental issues isn't a big deal. It is a big deal. It's not just a teenager with psychotic mental health issues.

Nobody finds it any less abhorrent.

It's not a terrorist attack, but that doesn't make it any less serious or any less of an issue. It just makes it different, not better.


indeed its much more worrying that he was a lone teenager with no ties to an organization.

if he was able to get this equipment together then what are the ones with actual training and an disorganization behind them able to do.


especially because he was only caught because he posted pictures of himself with the guns on Facebook, if hed just decided to do it it would have happened.
 
define terrorism?

planning a mass murder seems to fit the term nicely.

its been defined repeatedly if you'd read the thread.

its an attack to inspire fear to further a political or ideological goal.


going next door and murdering your neighbors because you don't like them is murder.

going next door and murdering your neighbors because they're black socialists and you want to send a message that all blacks or socialists would get out of your country or there will be more attacks is a terrorist event.
 
the UK the Terrorism Act 2000 defines terrorism as:

"The use or threat of action designed to influence the government or an international governmental organisation or to intimidate the public, or a section of the public; made for the purposes of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause; and it involves or causes:

serious violence against a person;
serious damage to a property;
a threat to a person's life;
a serious risk to the health and safety of the public; or
serious interference with or disruption to an electronic system."

One definition, and just what is this thread...
 
define terrorism?

planning a mass murder seems to fit the term nicely.

Just no. Hence things like serial killers.

Terrorism, is inducing fear to further beliefs usually attached to a group.
Like IRA, Muslim extremists etc. They are all group based and have a political, religious or some other cause they are trying to further by public fear.

A mass killing in no way can be said to do any off that and as such is not terrorism.
 
One definition, and just what is this thread...

it's a random Muslim who is annoyed that the main reason Muslim are in the news is because of terrorist reasons.

So he has latched on to a a story that he thinks shows a disparity in reporting and is jumping around in excitement at being able to go "look see its not just Muslims who want to kill groups of people" as if this is some sort of victory.
 
it's a random Muslim who is annoyed that the main reason Muslim are in the news is because of terrorist reasons.

So he has latched on to a a story that he thinks shows a disparity in reporting and is jumping around in excitement at being able to go "look see its not just Muslims who want to kill groups of people" as if this is some sort of victory.

***. <--- quoted for truth. Must be a grown up term *shrug*

Epic post is epic. I avoid these discussions because reasons but I just had to jump in here to give you a high five.
 
That he was mentally unstable isn't an 'excuse', its an 'explanation'. It doesn't make it ok, it doesn't stop it being abhorrent and it doesn't absolve him from guilt.

Why do people think that because mental health issues are cited they are cited as an excuse, rather than as a way of explaining the motives? :confused:

If anything it highlights why we must take mental health seriously.
 
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