And if something goes wrong? Someone falls ill on a train? A train has to be evacuated/de trained? Stranded in the middle of a tunnel?
I wouldn't get on a train without staff/driver on it. Would you?
RMT to ballot for strike action.
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And if something goes wrong? Someone falls ill on a train? A train has to be evacuated/de trained? Stranded in the middle of a tunnel?
I wouldn't get on a train without staff/driver on it. Would you?
I wouldn't have any problem at all with getting on a train with no staff, in fact I have in other countries.
You pull the cord *at* the station, not before. There will be assistance at the station.
You'll be waiting for further assistance with or without a driver. The train will be constantly monitored and staff will be aware to send a rescue team.
I would.
100% in favour! Strike!
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Lol - that's an odd one - I'm going to do some digging into that and see what my contacts say. I think that signalling center only has three people working at it and they've probably only balloted the "workplace", hence the low vote count.
This is where strike laws get daft - the union comply to the letter but it seems pointless to anyone looking in from the outside.
Quick bring the network to a halt.
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This isn't about wages. As semi-skilled manual workers that start at £30K PA, tube drivers have been overpaid compared to all other public service employees (police, firefighters, nurses etc.) for at least a decade.
This is about Bob Crow 2 getting into a public willy-waving contest with Boris.
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its might be more , but everyone is pointing out about wages as the focus point, there wages have kept up with inflation over the past 20 years.
example graduate starting salaries in the 90s were 23k paying back the loan was set at 20k, that has not gone up in also 20 years.
Ok, I can see how this could and does work with automated metro style systems like the tube. But I don't think it'll ever happen in our lifetime on our ancient mainline railway (good for me).
Still the underground won't be fully automated for a long long time.
Do you think the strike action is more or less likely for that to happen?
what happens if someone gets sick now? do you think the driver slams on the brakes in the tunnel , bursts out of his cabin and rushes down the train to perform a quick appendectomy before zooming back to the front in his dashing cape?
I agree that you need someone on the mainline trains because you need someone close enough to fix an issue or help passengers. A mainline train travels a long way between stations.
But on the underground the next station is less than a minute away. The whole network could be monitored by a small number of people centrally via CCTV in each carriage and at the front and rear of the train.
So the undergorund could be fully automated (like the DLR) and then one person can monitor several trains at the same time from a central location. In the unlikely event there is a problem between stations then it would only take a few minutes for station staff to get to the train. Yes there will be some teething problems but they aren't insurmountable.
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I don't think it will affect it either way.
You'd expect the guard to provide initial assistance, and it's thanks to union industrial action that we still have guards on trains.
never seen a guard on a tube train
seen plenty of sick people, and the notices that say "wait till you're at the station" and assistance come from the station staff.
how does a guard work on a train where the carriages are separate like the majority of tube trains?
heck get rid of the 50k a year driver and you could have 2 25k a year guards on each train....
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Sorry, TFL employ doctors now?
never seen a guard on a tube train
seen plenty of sick people, and the notices that say "wait till you're at the station" and assistance come from the station staff.
how does a guard work on a train where the carriages are separate like the majority of tube trains?
heck get rid of the 50k a year driver and you could have 2 25k a year guards on each train....
Yeah guards don't really work on the tube where it's only a few seconds between stations. Here on Southern trains however there's a guard on every train though.
And he would probably say 'more than my jobs worth' and 'it's against union rules innit'