RMT to ballot for strike action.

OldCoals said:
Didn't he accuse a radio presenter of domestic violence?
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No he didn't:-

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...e-you-stopped-beating-your-wife-10038366.html

It was used to demonstrate the stupidity of asking questions and insiting on a yes or no answer.

I.e. "have you stopped beating your wife yet?". If you answer yes, you're a wife beater, if you answer no, you're a wife beater.

It was a response to the radio presenter asking "did the driver fail a breath test - yes or no" - which if you know the case, the answer isn't as simple as yes or no and needs qualification.
 
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-33889205

BBC News said:
The launch date for the London Underground (LU) Night Tube is to be delayed, the BBC understands.
The 24-hour weekend service on the Jubilee, Victoria and most of the Piccadilly, Central and Northern lines was due to start on 12 September.
Members of four unions took strike action on 6 August and 8 July in the dispute over the Night Tube proposals.
Three unions have also announced two 24-hour walkouts on 25 and 27 August.
LU drivers will not be joining the two fresh strikes, the BBC understands.
Talks were held earlier at the conciliation service Acas in a bid to avert further strike action and a further meeting between the train drivers' union Aslef and LU is expected later this week.
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No surprises there. I hope that LU just let them strike as much as they want until the unions eventually break. A minority of militant voters forcing all workers to give up days and days of pay for no good reason would soon falter.
 
Evening Standard also reporting LU are saying we can expect a 6.5% rise in ticket prices if they given in to all of their demands. Why is Boris supposedly refusing to be part of the negotiations (so my colleague says)?
 
Mr Jack said:
And the 24 hour opening has been delayed.

What a farce Bojo has inflicted on London! Had he approached the matter in a reasonable and open fashion and given time for the unions and TfL to negotiate the changes then all this disruption could have been avoided.
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He's not inflicted anything on us but the RMT have. This was announced last September and they've had ample time/space to ponder/discuss/negotiate this. There has been nothing wrong with the offers and their stupid intransigence is to blame. Blame them and not Boris.
 
Cosimo said:
He's not inflicted anything on us but the RMT have. This was announced last September and they've had ample time/space to ponder/discuss/negotiate this. There has been nothing wrong with the offers and their stupid intransigence is to blame. Blame them and not Boris.
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Lol? It was announced in November 2013 not 'last September'. February 2015 was the first time LU engaged with the unions to negotiate.

This is 100% down to Boris, it's pretty clear nobody wanted the 24 hour tube, especially LU.
 
amigafan2003 said:
No he didn't:-

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...e-you-stopped-beating-your-wife-10038366.html

It was used to demonstrate the stupidity of asking questions and insiting on a yes or no answer.

I.e. "have you stopped beating your wife yet?". If you answer yes, you're a wife beater, if you answer no, you're a wife beater.

It was a response to the radio presenter asking "did the driver fail a breath test - yes or no" - which if you know the case, the answer isn't as simple as yes or no and needs qualification.
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But this is a silly comparison.

The radio presenter never beat his wife (as far as we know), yet the train driver did fail a breath test (whether that be because he'd been drinking or because his blood sugar levels were dangerously high).

The correct answer would have been "yes, but...." in one scenario and "I never beat my wife" in the other.

Edit - I listened to the "debate" when it aired and when he asked the "wife beater" question he just came across as ignorant and deliberately argumentative when I assume he was going for "clever" (he very much missed the mark).
 
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Mr Jack said:
No, I entirely blame Boris. The RMT have responded entirely appropriately to unreasonable demands from TfL after 24 hour opening was forced on them by Boris.
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If they opened up recruitment externally then they wouldn't have anything 'forced on them' would they? :rolleyes:
 
A2Z said:
Lol? It was announced in November 2013 not 'last September'. February 2015 was the first time LU engaged with the unions to negotiate.

This is 100% down to Boris, it's pretty clear nobody wanted the 24 hour tube, especially LU.
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There is nothing to laugh out loudly about. Six months is enough time having known about it for a long time before. Everyone wants it apart from the RTM whose poor members will have to put up with such a good offer. Guess they don't want to see anything that might upset their lovely little closed shop.

It beggars belief that we still don’t have legislation in place to prevent these needless and damaging strikes. Roll on the introduction of driverless trains!
 
Cosimo said:
It beggars belief that we still don’t have legislation in place to prevent these needless and damaging strikes. Roll on the introduction of driverless trains!
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I suspect Boris is currently sitting in front of Cameron urging him to bring forward harder legislation on minimum turnout for votes etc. or even getting the Tube classified as an essential service. He seems awfully quiet about all this, don't under-estimate him..
 
Scam said:
I suspect Boris is currently sitting in front of Cameron urging him to bring forward harder legislation on minimum turnout for votes etc. or even getting the Tube classified as an essential service. He seems awfully quiet about all this, don't under-estimate him..
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if an essential service does that mean they cannot strike? If so would it stop them phoning in sick en masse like the 'blue flu' in the states?
 
ShortWarning said:
But this is a silly comparison.

The radio presenter never beat his wife (as far as we know), yet the train driver did fail a breath test (whether that be because he'd been drinking or because his blood sugar levels were dangerously high).

The correct answer would have been "yes, but...." in one scenario and "I never beat my wife" in the other.

Edit - I listened to the "debate" when it aired and when he asked the "wife beater" question he just came across as ignorant and deliberately argumentative when I assume he was going for "clever" (he very much missed the mark).
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The correct response to "did the driver fail the breath test" would be "he failed a breath test administered inappropriately and in contravention to TfL's own standards and procedures and contrary to accepted medical opinion. Subsequent to failing to administer the breath test properly, TfL then went on to ignore thier own disciplinary and grievance procedures and summarily dismissed the driver with no investigation or right of appeal."


Do you really think Hadler would have got a chance to say all that with the way the interviewer was phrasing questions? It was an ambush interview, and credit to Hadler for not falling for it.
 
hyperseven said:
if an essential service does that mean they cannot strike? If so would it stop them phoning in sick en masse like the 'blue flu' in the states?
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It wont stop anything - they'll just strike illegally. What happened before we had "legal" strikes - did no one strike? Where did the right to strike come from?

What are TfL going to do - sack every train driver and train new ones ready for the next day? Rofl.
 
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