Can't get blood test results from GP

I'm fairly sure that when Nate posted his food intake for a day it included a B12 supplement so....kind of undermines the quality of his diet.
 
I had a blood test and asked my GP for a print out afterwards and he gave me one. Turns out they didn't actually test me for what I asked for in the first place
 
Hikari Kisugi said:
You were told they were in range, they are in range (except urea for some reason).
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I didn't look tbh I would be worried I would spot some pattern. Happened before on this forum someone posted something where a detail had obviously been missed. Puts one in a spot. It's why we don't have medical threads and why once he posted his actual results it became one imo. But I know I don't see eye to eye with the mods with what construes a medical thread and what doesn't.
 
Absolutely hate blood tests. Got to have some tomorrow :(

The last guy who did one knocked me unconscious. :/
 
Narj said:
Absolutely hate blood tests. Got to have some tomorrow :(

The last guy who did one knocked me unconscious. :/
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Try being cannulated. I had a nurse try to pop in a cannula three times into the back of my hand. The first two missed the vein and went into the flesh. The third time, the needle came out the other side. I've had a lot of needles in my time but that one gave me a vasovagal syncope for a bit. :D
 
Xordium said:
So he knocked you unconscious for a blood test?

Are you sure he then only just stabbed you with a needle?
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Lol. He hit a nerve or something. I went down like a sack of spuds. Told him to #### off when he wanted a second go...
 
To be fair, nothing wrong with taking b12 or iron as a vegan, I was taking those while I was eating meat as part of my lifting diet (along with fibre which I no longer need) & still do now I don't. Wanting to know or not if your diet is having a negative impact is a good thing to find out for sure.

While it may be unnecessary if the doctors has given a green light I can understand the need, what having fat unhealthy meat eaters who couldn't lift their own bodyweight attempt to preach dietary advice can make you want it in writing. The last person who asked where I got my protein I couldn't help but ask where he gets his saturated fat from. :D:D
 
Angilion said:
You can get enough iron if you eat enough of the right plants. Various leafy greens, if I recall correctly. Calcium's probably a bigger problem, but that's also doable.

The only essential thing you genuinely can't get from plants is B12. A newly introduced deficiency of B12 in your diet will mess you up very slowly (over as long as a few years) since humans can store some B12 and reuse it very efficiently. You can get vegan B12 supplements though (it's a waste product of some bacteria, which few if any vegans would count as animals) and it's often added to vegan/vegetarian food products.

Other than B12, an entirely plant-only diet can be healthy if you know what you're doing, have access to a wide enough variety of plants and sustain a diet with a right mixture of them. Humans are very versatile omnivores.

On a less serious note:

Has the OP gained banana-related superpowers yet? Bananas are radioactive. Radiation causes superpowers related to the source, as proven by Spiderman. So the OP eats enough bananas he'll obviously gain banana-related superpowers.
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While it is good to eat different plants, there is nothing wrong with eating the same thing either. You could live off just mangos, just plug any fruit into chronometer and it will have every nutrient. You just have to think fruit isn't desert, it can be a real meal and you can eat as much as you want.

Agree on B12 but that's not a vegan issue, it's for everyone. B12 is destroyed by heat. They even put it in cat food. Yeah I've not heard of the people for ethical treatment of bacteria yet lol.

Xordium said:
You have no rights to see any of your stuff without interpretation. People think they can see all of their records - they can but only if they go through it with someone. Depending on your blood results then yes I would withhold them. Let's face it people have worked themselves up before and some people have even posted them on forums like this (yes we had it a while ago and looks like you've done it too) so it is done with good reason.

I highly doubt you understand the results unless you are trained. Sorry but that is guff people come out with all the time. You may understand the normal patterns for what you normally have but you wouldn't understand any new eventuality away from that.
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It's not that hard to understand blood test results, they are just words on a piece of paper with numeric values. It's like coding, if you don't understand a word, you find out. This is simple, I'm not performing home brain surgery :p. You can understand any possible outcomes by looking at the values, the data is there.

Besides I only wanted the results to show I'm not deficient in all these nutrients the meat, egg and dairy industry want us to believe. I thought you needed to drink milk for calcium? I thought you needed to eat meat to get protein? But I have the same amount of protein in my blood as a professional body builder which is 6.7 grams per decilitre which is 100ml, that's the same as 67 and mine is 74 G/DL (Anabolic reference guide). I showed my mum it and she knows I haven't drank milk since 2008 and she said she will try the other dozens of milk options out there. I only drank milk out of fear (thanks dairy adverts) I wouldn't get enough calcium.

leaskovski said:
An FBC won't give you that information. If your gp specifically asked for other tests then maybe you might get to find out if your blood stream is intact a fat stream, but that's pretty much it.
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I wish I could get more tests, but at least all of the vegan related ones are there like protein, calcium, iron. Unless someone starts asking me where I get my chromium or something.

Hikari Kisugi said:
Nate looks quite happy in the video :)
That's good.
Even if he is wearing string obtained from the daenons of hell intestinal tracts for shoes ;)

Iron isn't just the one to look at, ferritin levels show reserve, but as Xordium says, viewing the results tells you little or nothing, more than to say they are in range. You were told they were in range, they are in range (except urea for some reason). over time they prove useful if staggered done by the same lab in the same way, taken on the same trip to the lab from you at the same time each time they are done.
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Shoes are ugly as hell but comfortable as heaven. Yeah ferritin is good, my body probably uses a lot of stored iron because I run long distance barefoot on hard surfaces so each impact destroys red blood cells. It's like Usain Bolt, he has to eat 16 ripe bananas everyday to build potassium back up because going anaerobic just drains sugar and potassium.

Yep ulric acid only found in animal products, you want urea very low, ya don't want gout and all the cardiovasculaties associated with consuming high protein diets. Yeah true blood results can vary even depending on what I had to eat the day before but if it's a big jump it's easy to test for. I'm definitely supplementing B12 again as I would prefer it higher.

Sider said:
The normal Hb and MCV suggests no iron deficiency. Transferrin saturation and ferritin are the best markers of iron status and not iron itself

The urea is low because you don't eat meat, which is fine.
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You can have high ferritin and be anaemic though if your body isn't utilizing that ferritin for whatever reason. You don't wanna go over 400 though cause that can indicate haemochromatosis, too much iron isn't a good thing. You wanna be in the middle ranges.

FrenchTart said:
I'm fairly sure that when Nate posted his food intake for a day it included a B12 supplement so....kind of undermines the quality of his diet.
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B12 deficiencies don't only occur in vegans. How come bodybuilding books recommend it, how come if you look on bodybuilding websites they say take Vitamin B12 up to 4000 micrograms a week. There is a book called is it B12? B12 is not a diet issue it's an environment issue.

Roar87 said:
I had a blood test and asked my GP for a print out afterwards and he gave me one. Turns out they didn't actually test me for what I asked for in the first place
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This is one good reason, it's a shame we can't do the blood tests ourselves at home.

Xordium said:
I didn't look tbh I would be worried I would spot some pattern. Happened before on this forum someone posted something where a detail had obviously been missed. Puts one in a spot. It's why we don't have medical threads and why once he posted his actual results it became one imo. But I know I don't see eye to eye with the mods with what construes a medical thread and what doesn't.
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I'm not asking for any medical advice nor am I giving any so I see no harm and the urea being low is a good thing.

acemastr said:
Came in, saw vegan, left.
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But I have vegan cookies.

elmarko said:
To be fair, nothing wrong with taking b12 or iron as a vegan, I was taking those while I was eating meat as part of my lifting diet (along with fibre which I no longer need) & still do now I don't. Wanting to know or not if your diet is having a negative impact is a good thing to find out for sure.

While it may be unnecessary if the doctors has given a green light I can understand the need, what having fat unhealthy meat eaters who couldn't lift their own bodyweight attempt to preach dietary advice can make you want it in writing. The last person who asked where I got my protein I couldn't help but ask where he gets his saturated fat from. :D:D
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Why did you take iron? I never get why people take any supplements when they chose to eat a healthy diet because a healthy diet wouldn't be healthy if it needed supplements and supplements aren't going to make up for an unhealthy diet. Have you had any blood tests done elmarko? Yeah agree on that! The amount of times I've heard where do you get your protein, I think I'm going to carry these results with me at all times, might print them on my shirt. I even had a vegan at the gym trying to sell me pea protein, I told him I get my protein from fruit.

Someone in this thread said calcium is a bigger problem on a vegan diet but there has never being a recorded instance of calcium deficiency in humans in history.

https://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2007nl/feb/whenfriendsask.htm

Best thing I ever did for my health was getting chronometer and seeing for myself what nutrients I needed VS what the adverts on TV, product packaging etc told me I needed. Chronometer told me I was hitting all my targets and this blood test confirms it wan't lying.
 
Edrof said:
Try being cannulated. I had a nurse try to pop in a cannula three times into the back of my hand. The first two missed the vein and went into the flesh. The third time, the needle came out the other side. I've had a lot of needles in my time but that one gave me a vasovagal syncope for a bit. :D
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Erk. I think I might have fainted or had a bit of a flailing around panic while squealing.

I had a cannula in the back of my hand when I was being operated on. General anaesthesia, but of course I was conscious when they put it in and it was still in afterwards. I joked with the anaesthetist that I'm not good with needles and I might get a head start on the anaesthesia by passing out :) As it happens, I didn't feel them put it in. Genuinely didn't feel anything at all, not even a pinch or pin***** sensation.
 
Nate Silvers said:
While it is good to eat different plants, there is nothing wrong with eating the same thing either. You could live off just mangos, just plug any fruit into chronometer and it will have every nutrient. You just have to think fruit isn't desert, it can be a real meal and you can eat as much as you want. [..]
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I'm not going to argue because there's obviously no point, but I very strongly advise anyone who is considering it or knows anyone who is considering it to seek reliable information. Which will tell you about the importance of a variety of plants (or at least types of plants, which will generally get you close enough as similar plants tend to have similar nutrional values, roughly, on the whole) in a vegan diet.

To pick just one nutrient of the many required and using your example fruit:

Average iron content in a whole mango: 0.3mg
UK RDA of iron: 14mg

So that's 47 whole mangoes need per day to get your RDA of iron from eating just mangoes (as you suggested doing).

If you ate 47 whole mangoes per day, you'd be eating about 6345 calories per day. That's rather a lot too much for almost everyone.

You'd also be eating around 1438g of sugar per day. Almost one and a half kilos of sugar. Every day. That's far too much for anyone.

I could go on for many other nutrients, but I hope that I've made the point well enough to ensure that anyone considering a plant-only diet realises that your advice is so wrong that it's downright dangerous.

Oh, and the protein issue. It's not about protein. "protein" is a shorthand that's only accurate when you're talking about animal proteins. There are billions of different proteins. It's not just protein, singular. Humans don't directly use any of the proteins they eat. Our digestive systems cut them up into the amino acids they're made out of and use those amino acids to make the proteins we need. So what you actually need is all the required amino acids in at least roughly the right proportion for humans. Since that's roughly the same proportion as it is for the animals we eat, you can get away with the simplification "protein" when referring to animal proteins. It's not necessarily so with plant proteins, since the difference between plants and humans is quite a bit greater.

So if you get all your protein from fruits, even if you eat enough to get enough "protein" you might well end up with not enough of some essential amino acids and too much of others. You'll also end up eating far too much sugar. To use the mango example again (since that's the example you used), even if you ignore the amino acids that are what really matter and just assume that all proteins are the same (they're not) you'd need to eat 50 whole mangoes a day to get "enough protein" for a person of average build doing average amount of exercise (i.e. no real exercise). That would mean eating about 1.5Kg of sugar per day and getting most of the ~7000 calories per day you'd be eating from that sugar.
 
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Nate Silvers said:
While it is good to eat different plants, there is nothing wrong with eating the same thing either.
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Don't apply that logic to leafy greens though they should be rotated if your eating a lot of them each day because otherwise you'll start to get negative effects from the chemicals in them that stop animals eating the whole plant
 
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