Massive Explosion in Tianjin, China - Cause Unknown

Give it less than a month, even a week considering those blasts, and if people start dying from radiation poisoning then sir you might be correct. But I highly highly doubt that, and if no one does (which will be the case) you will know what a stupid comment that was.

In no way at ALL is it nuclear, as I don't think even China would try brush a nuclear disaster under the carpet and claim it's something petty.

That ain't petty at all

edit: @ itchy btw
 
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lol, if a bunker or underground storage facility blow up it will leave a huge crater because the earth has already been removed, you're effectively removing the building structure from a pre-existing hole not creating a new hole/crater.

This am thinking also, a underground storage facility. :confused:

That's no air burst chemical reaction, something was there either under or over ground that is not being reported.

Not buying the story period. :mad:
 
I'm still sceptical about all the stories about bombs, looks like a huge ammount of chemicals went boom to me, the site stored big quantities of Calcium carbide ( reacts with water into explosive stuff), Ammonium nitrate and Potassium nitrate, which are a bit explosive...
 
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This am thinking also, a underground storage facility. :confused:

That's no air burst chemical reaction, something was there either under or over ground that is not being reported.

Not buying the story period. :mad:



I'm not really suggesting anything dodgy happened, just saying there is underground storage all over the place without anything particularly sinister. Hell, a carpark, if something was on top of it and blew it would still destroy the structure below it and leave a similar crater.

HOnestly I haven't even followed the story much, I don't know what the official story is at the moment beyond shipping materials exploding. For a company that apparently specialises in hazardous material shipping it makes a lot of sense to store certain things underground. I mean some things you wouldn't want to sit in a metal container in full sunlight, others will be dangerous enough to warrant some kind of protective storage.

It's entirely more than possible that something blew up above ground, caused damage letting fire/chemicals to spill into the underground storage and this caused a reaction with something more dangerous which took out the underground storage causing the second blast.

Of course, the more sinister part of my brain says the Umbrella Corporation facility was compromised, self destruct was initiated and they now think the virus may have escaped so are evacuating the area.
 
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Give it less than a month, even a week considering those blasts, and if people start dying from radiation poisoning then sir you might be correct. But I highly highly doubt that, and if no one does (which will be the case) you will know what a stupid comment that was.

In no way at ALL is it nuclear, as I don't think even China would try brush a nuclear disaster under the carpet and claim it's something petty.

That ain't petty at all

edit: @ itchy btw

Japan have a very good nuclear sweeping brush. ;)
Although not sure if they have one spare for China after Fukushima Daiichi. :p
 
Considering that China has more than a billion in population, ignoring/hiding nuclear fallout would make North Korea seem like a caring local charity shop.. I don't think China would stoop that low
 
it's so easy to go full tin foil on this. but i'm not gonna, the first big boom appears to be linked to firefighters using water to put out a fire, this fueled a chemical (i wont repeat but bbc and others have already said what it was) and that detonation then caused enough heat to expose a different chemical? that reacts badly to high temperatures. both detonations looked nothing like a nuke imho.

USA or any other country other than China did'nt do this, if they did i would'nt be here to be typing this as that would be just MAD.
 
it's so easy to go full tin foil on this. but i'm not gonna, the first big boom appears to be linked to firefighters using water to put out a fire, this fueled a chemical (i wont repeat but bbc and others have already said what it was) and that detonation then caused enough heat to expose a different chemical? that reacts badly to high temperatures. both detonations looked nothing like a nuke imho.

USA or any other country other than China did'nt do this, if they did i would'nt be here to be typing this as that would be just MAD.

MAD aint seen that saying in years! :D

Mutual Assured Destruction!

If they had a underground storage facility then that would account for the crater. ;)

Air blast chemical explosion will take the less resistance path for blast force.
It might make a dent in the ground but not a bloody hole in the ground that big! :eek:
 
If that's not nuclear then I don't know what is!

Only two things I seen that can do damage like that is, a nuclear bomb and meteor strike.

That was a serious bomb, far too much matter displacement for a natural chemical reaction.

You're either super troll or just super dim. Why don't you listen to people who clearly seem to know more on the matter? You might learn from them.

Inb4 it was an act of God :rolleyes:
 
The news is reporting there could have been 700 tonnes of sodium cyanide being stored there....70x more than should be! :eek:

Also they are saying it could have been the firefighters spraying water on the fire that caused the huge blasts, maybe not knowing they were fighting a chemical fire. The numbers of firefighters reported missing/dead has rocketed :(
 
HOnestly I haven't even followed the story much, I don't know what the official story is at the moment beyond shipping materials exploding. For a company that apparently specialises in hazardous material shipping it makes a lot of sense to store certain things underground. I mean some things you wouldn't want to sit in a metal container in full sunlight, others will be dangerous enough to warrant some kind of protective storage.

You will be absolutely amazed at the stupidity of people when it comes to storing hazardous materials. There was a blast back in 2011 at a Cypriot naval base, absolutely huge, knocked out power for half the island. It was caused by leaving 90-odd containers of explosives and munitions in the sun for 2 and a half years when they decided to self detonate.
 
It looked like a nuclear blast to me, yes I know they all chemical but I dunno not buying a basic chemical blast. Something was there that should not have been there and it went boom.

2 mile radius I believe now they have implemented, that sounds nuclear to me as chemicals would have been dispersed in the air after 3 days and be long gone. Probably into the upper atmosphere due to the ferocity of the explosion thank duck!

Now they just measuring fallout I guess.

If that's not nuclear then I don't know what is!

Only two things I seen that can do damage like that is, a nuclear bomb and meteor strike.

That was a serious bomb, far too much matter displacement for a natural chemical reaction.

This am thinking also, a underground storage facility. :confused:

That's no air burst chemical reaction, something was there either under or over ground that is not being reported.

Not buying the story period. :mad:

If they had a underground storage facility then that would account for the crater. ;)

Air blast chemical explosion will take the less resistance path for blast force.
It might make a dent in the ground but not a bloody hole in the ground that big! :eek:

This is why we can't have nice things.

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That's a big hole: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-33951125

Blast equivalent to 3 tonnes for the first blast then 21 tones for the second, of TNT: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-33901206

It is very possible that it's a chemical based explosion - all you need is containment to increase pressure, heat to increase the rate of reactions and naturally a shed load of volatile chemicals.

To make pressure you don't need a flammable explosive - just high pressure, or 700 tones of granulated powder that if burned turned to gas. This would/could eject/distribute into the air the combustable chemicals that detonate.

Regardless - the cost in human life is both saddening and regrettable.
 
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Anyone who thinks it could be nuclear, might not understand Critical Mass, the smallest amount of fissible material needed to create a chain reaction.
The smallest known nuclear device was the davey crocket, made in the 50/60s. It was around 200-500 tons of tnt, or .2-.5 of a kiloton.
To put that into scale this is exactly 100t of actually tnt being exploded.


I think this Chinese explosion was a lot lot smaller.
 
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Nuclear weapons are not some magic force. If you ignore the radiation aspect, the damage they do is done in the same way and at the same scale as the equivalent amount of TNT. That's why they "rate" them as equivalent.

The advantage of a nuclear weapon is that manufacturing and delivering 40,000 tonnes of TNT is clearly impractical. A nuclear bomb is a far more compact package, making it possible to actually deliver to the target.

The video ChriniC posted above demonstrates this nicely - the explosion there was purely TNT and you can see just how relatively small a pile of 100 tonnes of TNT actually is, and how large that explosion was.

To state that a nuclear blast is capable of xyz damage but a non-nuclear blast of the same size isn't betrays your complete lack of understanding of how things like this work.

There are a great many chemical processes that can happen during a fire like that. Chemical mixtures have been developed to stabilise otherwise extremely sensitive/explosive chemicals that, when set on fire, burn off the stabilising chemicals leaving you with something that is incredibly explosive. Some of these chemicals can be safely transported and stored until something goes wrong, at which point you're best to just run away and leave it to burn. To mitigate this, they have limits on how much of a chemical you can store and for some of the really exotic stuff, how close it can be stored to other chemicals. If you simply ignore these limits in the quest for profit, you'll end up with an accident waiting to happen. In this case, it has happened with a large and regrettable loss of life.

As for the exclusion zone, most of the chemicals I'm talking about here don't burn clean. All sorts of things are easily produced when you get a conflagration like this - Hydrogen Cyanide, Hydrogen Flouride, various Mercury compounds, the list is limited only by your imagination and all of them are impressively good at killing people. Radiation from a nuclear blast, in the main, is delivered over an extremely short period of time during the fission reaction itself (a fraction of a second). People dosed during the explosion would already be dead, you'd be seeing casualties suffering radiation burns from a reasonable distance away too - if you've got the stomach for it you can look up images of radiation burn patterns from Hiroshima and Nagasaki to see what happens. Exclusion zones days after would be only to contain exposure to localised irradiated materials and fallout. There is an extremely impressive number of detectors developed and installed during the Cold War where both Russia and the USA were intent on knowing the composition of each other's devices - they achieved this by measuring the contents of the fallout products. IF this was nuclear (which I am 99.9999% certain it isn't) we would almost certainly have seen all of these factors. Any one of them (Radiation sickness/death, walking wounded with radiation burns, fallout products) would be a tell-tale sign of a nuclear explosion. None of them have happened.

It isn't nuclear. It is a very, very nasty industrial accident.



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I just want to add that setting a nuclear bomb on fire won't detonate it either. From publicly available sources and basic physics knowledge of critical mass and so on, there are two main ways that bomb designers go about creating a nuclear detonation. The first is a gun-type bomb. They basically have a uranium slug in what is essentially a regular cannon and a uranium ball at the other end. The cannon fires the slug into the ball and boom, you've got criticality and the resultant nuclear explosion. The second is an implosion type weapon where you have a sphere of uranium inside a bigger sphere of explosives. Explosives go bang, force the uranium inwards to form a ball of uranium at critical mass and ta-da, criticality and a large explosion. Quite aside from the things called Permissive Action Links and other safety devices such as filing the cavity with ball bearings, the explosives they use in these things are not at all sensitive to fire or heat and will simply burn if set on fire. There have been a number of aircraft accidents involving nuclear bombs in the past where the bombs have either burned up or inadvertently detonated the explosives and in every single case this hasn't resulted in a nuclear detonation.
 
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Ruddy hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Have a dear friend there at the moment!! Supposed to be going to Airport (Suvarnabhumi Airport) to return to UK today!!! Trying to get hold of them but no reply yet. Stomach all over the place!!
 
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