I'm confused now. I thought it was those in the house of Lords who did that? How dare the poor folk pinch their idea? How very dare they... £300 squid for turning up and falling asleep, kerching....
DWP lies about sanctions
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I'm confused now. I thought it was those in the house of Lords who did that? How dare the poor folk pinch their idea? How very dare they... £300 squid for turning up and falling asleep, kerching....
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This, As others have said already, The advisors care nothing about helping you find work. Confirm who you are, ask if you have done your jobsheet and then sign for your money and off you go.
What they do care about is how fast they can sanction you for petty reasons.
Then they want to send you off to a place like County Training in our area to get some skills, What they don't tell you is you must do 6 weeks minimum of their nonsense before you can even get a training course. Yes I really wan't to brush up on by maths and english which are perfectly fine instead of getting real help finding a job. But if they did that then the training place won't get paid by the GOV.
That maybe so, but you do get a few little Hitlers working in these Job Centre Plus offices who think they are superior than you.
yup
so get there early then, it isn't rocket science - you've got to turn up for a short meeting and that is it - you've got to be a complete **** to screw that up
He must lead a small faction of even thicker home counties members so he gets what the votes he controls are worth to Div.
Are you saying Poland is a popular holiday destination?
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It must have been a while since you cliamed - it's nothing like that now.
You can even get sanctioned for not "having the right attitude". Proper little "thought police" administration we've got going on now.
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Yeah I noticed that,
Also I noticed the rise in these petty training schemes since I last signed on long ago.... all they're doing is fleecing money out of the government for pointless "qualifications".
Absolute joke.... when I signed on I always just thought who is profiting here out of this? you dig into it and find a lot of these training schemes not which offer claimants nothing. System does need an overhaul and IDS I don't think is the one to do it.
Indeed, like I said I claimed for a short while not long ago, couple weeks something like that and it was VERYYYYY different from 5 years ago, as I said it's all gone a bit bonkers now.
You really don't, national insurance is a tax, not any form of insurance, as you well know.
it was 8 years ago - claimed for a few weeks, then decided it would be better to just go and get a **** job while applying for new roles - easy enough to just call in sick to said **** job as and when interviews occur for proper jobs... still how hard is it to turn up on time and not give any attitude to the jobsworth on the other side of the desk
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I don't think you know what "insurance" means.
8 years ago? And you still think you know what goes on?*
Let's hope you don't have to try the current system out then - it'd blow your ill concieved notions out of the water.
*Disclaimer - until two years ago I worked on several major government systems - inc JSA, ERM, ESA and FRAIMS and I still do some advisory work related to those systems.
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Given that job seekers isn't dependent on national insurance, and national insurance is effectively a ponzi scheme (current contributions go to pay current claimants, there is no meaningful investment and little relationship between pay in and pay out), it seems you are being deliberately misleading about both the benefits and the nature of national insurance.
has turning up on time for a meeting and being polite somehow changed in 8 years?
what do those systems have to do with turning up on time and not giving attitude to people?
They look down on you because you dont have a job, but they wouldnt have a job themselves if it wasnt for jobless folks like you.
The whole system is a shambles and the irony is that the minority of scum who defraud the system are the only ones who benefit from it. Whilst those who are actually struggling are made to pay.
A reasonable and true excuse for any lateness often surfices in polite society not however in a police state regime installed by a prejudiced oddball like Ian Smith.
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If I had to postpoone a meeting with a client because my childs school phoned to say I had to pick them up and I took them to the doctors, then my client would understand and re-schedule with no detriment.
Not so with the DWP - sanction time! If you have arbritary targets to meet (and keeping your job or pay depends on meeting those targets), then reasonableness goes out the window.
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Whether it goes into one pot, or two different pots is semantics.
Even in an insurance company, claims made by customer from last year, are paid for by premiums paid for by customers this year. You simply have to maintain the cashflow, and in the case of an insurance company make a profit.
Also there are 2 types of JSA, one is based on your contributions. So once again that comment is misleading.
https://www.gov.uk/jobseekers-allowance/what-youll-get
A lot of people on JSA are between jobs and so fall into the contribution based allowance. They would fall under what you'd call frictional unemployment.
I'll check now but I wouldn't be surprised if the majority fell into this category.
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As of Apr-Jun 2015 quarter data, looking at all unemployment
1.852m unemployed (5.6%)
0.971m for less than 6 months
0.305m for 6 to 12 months and
0.575m for more than a year.
source: A01 Table 9: http://ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/labou...ty-labour-market-statistics--august-2015.html
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Yes. The system has completely changed from when you used to be on it.
They have targets to hit with regards to sanctions so even if you do everything correctly they may still find some other ******* way of sanctioning you.
The system (Universal Jobmatch) you have to use is a pile of crap, a lot of the job ads are just data collection schemes so they can sell all the data on the CVs they harvested to the highest bidder.
Takes a special kind of person to say it's easy to get free money when the last time they did it was 8 years ago.
You'd be in for a short, sharp, shock if you ever lost your job and had to claim.
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So every time I claim on my mobile phone insurance, I'm helping the unemployed?
you know you don't have to just use their system to get a job... tis probably a better idea to just get any old **** job if you're unemployed and then apply for what you want to do when actually earning money - just go through the motions of whatever they require and then do your own job searching - tis aimed at the lowest common denominator, not that difficult....
though the best the other poster could come up with was some hypothetical scenario of a sick child, presumably that would also require the hypothetical person to be a single parent too
either way it isn't hard to turn up to a meeting and be polite
I don't current have a job at the moment actually, though I'm not eligible to claim - can't say I'm losing any sleep over it
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