What a silly man 'keying £100k Aston Martin'

Tefal said:
Pretty sure you're alowed to defend your property and prevent crimes in the UK. ...
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True, but if they stop when you confront them as they likely would. Then there isn't much you can do.

I don't know what would be classed as reasonable force if they continue to scratch your car, especially if they don't threaten or pose a threat directly to you when you attempt to push them away. Would be interesting to hear if anyone knows what the allowable courses of action would be.
 
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Disgusting jealous behaviour from a father of all people!

thedoc46 said:
Guy keyed up my car, while i was sat in it. Over an argument about a parking space. I got out, punched him, he went down violently with a shattered cheek bone, and ended up in intensive care with a fractured skull, whilst i was donning a broken hand...

Police came (as well as paramedics) as the assailant wasn't really doing anything other than making weird noises on the floor, blowing bubbles.

Police asked me what happened. I explained, showed them the damage to my car, I wasn't even arrested. I was even asked if i wanted to press charges... Which i just said, no its ok. I sorta was just amazed i was allowed to walk away from the scene and my life wasn't over.

Big difference with me is that I live in the USA, and the cop put it down as self defense..
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thedoc in Internet hardman shocker.
 
muon said:
True, but if they stop when you confront them as they likely would. Then there isn't much you can do.

I don't know what would be classed as reasonable force if they continue to scratch your car, especially if they don't threaten or pose a threat directly to you when you attempt to push them away. Would be interesting to hear if anyone knows what the allowable courses of action would be.
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You are perfectly within your rights to use force to prevent a crime. The law isn't so silly that you just have to stand there and politely ask them to stop.

If they then try to hurt you you can use what you think is reasonable force. Given they've got a key in their hand that's probably quite a high level.

hyperseven said:
Knocking someone out is not reasonable force.

Thought property=home, not a car, and remember they are not trying to steal it or break in, but just messing up the paintwork.
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Criminal damage is still a crime....

I'm amazed some people think you just have to stand and watch some destroy people's things and wait for the police.
 
Tefal said:
Pretty sure you're alowed to defend your property and prevent crimes in the UK. ...
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I wouldn't risk it tbh - with the police and CPS what they are in this country you're almost certain to get charged with some sort of crime for intervening and then it's just down to the pot luck of a jury whether you go to prison or not.
 
scorza said:
I wouldn't risk it tbh - with the police and CPS what they are in this country you're almost certain to get charged with some sort of crime for intervening and then it's just down to the pot luck of a jury whether you go to prison or not.
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you keep saying this yet every time you are proved wrong.

remember when you referenced the guy in Manchester who stabbed the burglar, you never came back when someone posted the 5 or so cases where that happened with not one charge laid on the home owner.
 
Tefal said:
you keep saying this yet every time you are proved wrong.

remember when you referenced the guy in Manchester who stabbed the burglar, you never came back when someone posted the 5 or so cases where that happened with not one charge laid on the home owner.
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Don't recall that. Are you sure the CPS didn't drop the charges after the media highlighted the case and the public outrage it caused.

What about the Munir Hussain case a few years back? The poor chap who got convicted and actually went to prison? http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/dec/14/jail-brothers-burglar-cricket-bat After the public outrage over this case they reduced his sentence so he was freed immediately - so much for justice in this country being blind and in no way influenced by the media.
 
scorza said:
Don't recall that. Are you sure the CPS didn't drop the charges after the media highlighted the case and the public outrage it caused.

What about the Munir Hussain case a few years back? The poor chap who got convicted and actually went to prison? http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/dec/14/jail-brothers-burglar-cricket-bat After the public outrage over this case they reduced his sentence so he was freed immediately - so much for justice in this country being blind and in no way influenced by the media.
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scorza said:
I've done so in the past but don't have the time or the inclination to start researching this again. If you feel like taking your head out of the sand feel free to look into it yourself - a good starting point would be a case I do remember where the homeowner shot and intruder with a spear gun (he was a diver) and the CPS brought a malicious prosecution against the homeowner for that.

Edit: just remembered another one where a homeowner in Manchester I think was faced with an intruder armed with a knife. The homeowner disarmed the intruder and in the struggle stabbed the intruder killing him. Guess what, another malicious prosecution by the CPS. Can't remember what eventually happened in that case.
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Longbow said:
So you're overly convinced you cannot protect yourself, but when asked for examples you don't really have any and expect me to do all the work?

The first one I can't find anything for, except a post on this very forum that states:




The other Manchester case...

Was it this one? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-15211250
Manchester man kills the intruder, no conviction.

Or this? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...stabbed-burglar-death-brawl-protect-home.html
Manchester man kills intruder, no conviction.

Maybe this? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ges-stabbing-death-gunman-raided-florist.html
Manchester man kills intruder, no conviction.
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I don't think many people will agree getting your mate chasing down a bugler after he's fled then beating him in the street with weapons till he's permanently brain damaged counts sad reasonable self defence

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=28403491#post28403491
 
Tefal said:
I don't think many people will agree getting your mate chasing down a bugler after he's fled then beating him in the street with weapons till he's permanently brain damaged counts sad reasonable self defence

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=28403491#post28403491
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Well actually many people did, hence why I think the Court of Appeal reduced his sentence in the face of a massive public outcry over the case.

As for your "poor victim" withe the permanent brain damage: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munir_Hussain_and_victims'_rights

In September 2009, Walid Salem, then 57, a criminal with more than 50 previous convictions,[6] was given a two year non-custodial supervision order to the charge of false imprisonment of the Hussain family, as he was considered unfit to plead due to brain damage caused by the attack by Munir and Tokeer Hussain.[13]

On 4 January 2009 Salem was arrested for a further five offences he was accused of committing after he had recovered from the attack. However On 21 December 2009 he received an absolute discharge because he was deemed unfit to plead.[14]
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Just goes to show that the law is firmly on the side of the criminals. He's basically got a get out of jail free card.
 
'When I confronted him, he attempted to stab me in the face with the key. In defending myself he was unfortunately seriously injured your lordship.
Once I had checked that he had indeed finally stopped breathing I of course called for the police immediately'
 
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