Seven dead after Hawker Hunter hits cars
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the accident in 2007 at shoreham was the result of the pilot not being experienced on the type and executing an unauthorised or planned roll.
Quite few changes were made after Hillsborough.
I hope the same for these air shows.
For goodness sake!!!!
*sigh* - this is the first time in 62 years anyone who is a bystander has been killed at an airshow in the UK - September 1952 was the previous time; heck of a safety record since then!
its knee jerk reactions which are stupid right now - lots of people are saying `ban airshows`, hence my nonsensical reply - if we banned everything that had causalities , no one would actually do anything.
For goodness sake!!!!
His point is valid, although his example is a little poor.
Are you suggesting we need a blanket ban on all airshows over land?
read up - the last big airshow disaster was in 1952 - big changes were made then , and a safety record for bystanders of 62 years without incident (yes pilots have been killed but not those watching or passing by).
I can see the shoreham event either being cancelled or moving to the seafront;
the reason it was at the airport so they can charge for it!
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Sad event. RIP to those who perished 
I think a review into air show safety is a good thing. Can't really see why these particular stunts were authorised when the aircraft was so close to a main road but admittedly I don't really know a lot about it.
I think a review into air show safety is a good thing. Can't really see why these particular stunts were authorised when the aircraft was so close to a main road but admittedly I don't really know a lot about it.
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Even for GD this is heading from the embarrassing to the downright disrespectful.
I hope this thread gets locked frankly.
I hope this thread gets locked frankly.
Doing a loop an any near 70 year old plane is always pushing it, either the pilot or the plane exceeded it's limits, granted it seems more likely the pilot however if it had been a Eurofighter/SU-35 the would have been no accident so the planes limitations were also a factor even if not the primary ones.
I don't need to 'read up' to know this shouldn't have happened. I want measures put in place to ensure it doesn't happen again.
It's also worth noting that the pilot did not have authorization to do the maneuver, so no amount of rules/safeguards would have stopped this.
Dont ask me. I didnt raise that point!
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If this is true then any deviation from what is authorised should be dealt with harshly.
However, what evidence is there to suggest it is true? Could it be the organisers attempting to cover their tracks because the proverbial hit the fan?
You're really going to go against the knowledge and experience of an ex hawker Hunter display pilot who knows very well the limits for such aircraft , ok lol
for a start the aircraft is 50 not 70 , the US airforce flies aircraft of a similar age on combat missions (with likely similar levels of maintenance)
as for not having an accident in a modern type - an SU-27 asw flown into the ground in paris and who can forget the F-16 crash at a thunderbirds display.
an accident is usually the end result of a series of unfortunate events.
so for not authorising a half Cuban or quarter clover - only the display director will know that as the flight plan would have been passed for him to sign off. And he hasn't spoken about it.
Where did I say it should be banned
Put your toys back in the pram and calm down
I merely said that had it been better organised or planned less people or better yet no civilians would have been killed going about their business.
You do realise this is how flying is one of the safest if not the safest form of transport? You see we evaluate accidents and then place protocols and/or regulations so as to make a repeat accident almost physically impossible!!
Your silly argument is about as helpful as a chocolate teapot!!
The age of the plane or even the loop isn't the issue here, it's WHERE it was being performed that's the issue and should NEVER have been allowed!!
Had it been performed over empty fields or sea the only casualty would have been the pilot
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If it is true, then the earlier suggestion of manslaughter is a valid one, rules are there for a reason, and if the pilot made the decision to deviate from the flight plan then he should be held accountable.
However, as you say it could be a cover up, the chances of the pilot surviving are probably slim so he can't defend himself and in knowing that the cogs have already started turning..
From the footage I've seen nothing appears to fall off of the plane and you can't hear the engine clearly enough to say that the pilot has throttled up knowing he needs more power or the engines died etc so they were, IMHO going to put it down to pilot error, and with no black box in older aircraft theres nothing to argue this from the pilots POV..
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