Seven dead after Hawker Hunter hits cars
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when you have to narrow your statistic down so much that you exclude the majority of events you know your reaching.
Your maths is out, its ~61 years since the Hunters first flight, not sure how old the actual one was that crashed but still..
And for reference I have done many loops in aircraft much older than a Hunter and it was fine, other than them being crap and having to dive to get enough speed to actually do a loop I felt perfectly safe (apart from one time where I had been strapped in but not tightened up and 0g at the top of a loop isn't an ideal place to find that out) , granted I did have a chute strapped to my arse but still, the age of the aircraft isn't an issue, if they are passed to fly then they fly regardless of being 10 minutes off the production line or, in this case <60....
even If he was trying to spool up the engine that also takes time ; he would have reduced power at the top so not to overspeed in the descent , then maybe realised he need more power , pushed the throttle forward. the avon takes about 10 seconds to spool up (an older centrifugal type like in the T-33 takes 25 seconds to spool up)
Indeed, that dismissive / denial attitude does nothing to improve safety and save lives.
Hopefully this tragic accident will at least force new stricter air show regulations that will prevent future deaths.
big lol at all the armchair experts who have played a few flight sims and now think they are some sort of fighter pilot
Hopefully this tragic accident will at least force new stricter air show regulations that will prevent future deaths.
big lol at all the armchair experts who have played a few flight sims and now think they are some sort of fighter pilot
quote me 1 event in the UK , where anyone other than the pilot has died in an accident?
And where would the inland airshows be held?
Its an unfortunate and rare incident , I'm sure there's areas where risk can be reduced further but blanket banning overland display isn't the way forward
I did say roughly 70 (First flew 64 years ago which is closer to 70 than 50).
Which planes? (Not trying to argue, genuinely interested, I thought the A-10 was their oldest active combat aircraft).
The F-16 is a late 70's jet and the SU-27 an early 80's jet, the EF/SU-35BM I mentioned are much newer/better designs. But regardless I wasn't saying modern jets don't crash, just that a modern jet like the ones I mentioned wouldn't have had this crash.
Indeed, however the media are reporting it was unauthorised (but then you're right, no way to know for certain yet).
and again you've done exactly the same thing you're narrowing it down and excluding the majority of the events to the point your statistic is meaningless.
theres been 6 fatal instances at air shows this year alone.
Health related?
In areas where the stunts can be performed over empty fields/land instead of highly populated public areas
It's really not rocket science, just common sense and basic logic shirley
/reality
Had the stunt been performed over an empty non populated area 11+ people would not have died /FACT
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the grand daddy - the BUFF (B-52)
it was an SU-30MKI with thrust vectoring which crashed in paris in 1999
so again its the media guessing
So you really felt just as safe as flying level? No feeling you were pushing it at all? You're made of sterner stuff than me buddy, a sideslip landing in a cessna is enough to give me white knuckles
that's still human error.
none of which were bystanders in the UK - which is exactly what I am on about
also most of those were not in the UK anyway.
which makes your widening of statistics to the point of meaningless
Again I didn't say modern planes don't crash, just that the ones listed wouldn't have had this crash (an MKI being a good example of a plane that could have completed the Hawkers loop safely).
but would it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh-kuztsE1s
note the similar low and slow airspeed , yes its a different manoeuvre BUT it was deemed pilot error as he bled too much speed and executed an extra spin/roll outside of the flight plan
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no the fact you keep saying "in the uk" is what makes it meaningless.
as you're deliberately removing the majority of air shows to lower the numbers.
there has been no car crashes on my road in the last 10 years therefore the roads are perfectly safe....
see when you limit the scope to manipulate the numbers it becomes meaningless.
In areas where the stunts can be performed over empty fields/land instead of highly populated public areas
It's really not rocket science, just common sense and basic logic shirley
I'm guessing that any areas capable of putting on an airshow will be built up or have busy roads close to them, even if you did find somewhere that doesn't mean an accident couldn't end up outside this area onto somewhere populated
Like I said there's maybe some areas of risk that can be reduced but that's something the authorities with knowledge and experience need to discuss
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