The labour Leader thread...

[Bear]

Who did I call greedy and selfish?

My analysis is that most OCUKers don't earn that much but are still selfish/greedy/obnoxious about it. The clever thing the neo-liberals have done is convince the general public that their ideology is good for them, when the actual evidence says otherwise.

 

[CorrectHorseBattery]

What has re-shoring got to do with left/right?

Here's practically the same article written in the Torygraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...K-firms-bringing-manufacturing-back-home.html

I don't care where it's written but there aren't actually any examples of companies doing the reshoring.

The closest thing I have seen to a large company reshoring is Apple and the Mac Pro being assembled (not manufactured) in the US.

 

[Terminal_Boy]

If Corbyn wins, we will all be poor and not have much money to spend at all.

But we will all be equally poor so I suppose that's your objective acheived.

Socialism is dragging everyone to the same level of misery.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Oh really?

What about mass shortage of hard-drives because Thailand was flooded? (few years ago)

Yeah - and they've removed 70% of manufacturing from those areas now................

There will always be a country which is undeveloped, which we can take advantage of for cheap labour.

I expect African countries will be next.

It'll be the UK in about 10 years.

 

[CorrectHorseBattery]

Socialism is dragging everyone to the same level of misery.

Precisely.

As Margaret Thatcher once said, socialists woulddn't mind if the the poor are poorer, so long as everyone is equally as poor.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Precisely.

As Margaret Thatcher once said, socialists woulddn't mind if the the poor are poorer, so long as everyone is equally as poor.

She actually said:-

He would rather have the poor poorer, provided the rich were less rich. That is the Liberal policy.

Thatcher, House of Commons, 22 November 1990

Again, if you're going to quote someone, get it right.

Besides, the quote is an opinion, not a statement of fact about what Socialism is.

 

[Danthus]

Socialism is dragging everyone to the same level of misery.

I don't believe that at all.

 

[CorrectHorseBattery]

It'll be the UK in about 10 years.

Do you seriously believe that the UK is going to become a manufacturing nation again?

We don't have the skills anymore.

 

[Danthus]

Do you seriously believe that the UK is going to become a manufacturing nation again?

We don't have the skills anymore.

Why not?

There are lots of skilled people where I live, the manufacturing has gone though.

 

[Wink]

It is incredibly worrying.

"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy."

Indeed.

I'm on my phone so can't write up a proper reply, all I'll say is that thankfully there's no way such a terrible idea would ever get implemented.

I would be out of the country in a heart beat as I'm sure a huge number of others would be too.

 

[Firestar_3x]

We don't have the skills anymore.

Total Rubbish.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Do you seriously believe that the UK is going to become a manufacturing nation again?

We don't have the skills anymore.

Yes to the first, and yes we do to the second.

And to the second - if you look at America (which we usually trail by 5-10 year) and the examples of LED and semi-conductor manufacturing, the UK is well poised to emerge as a high tech manufacturing hub. That is if the Tories don't **** all the potential up the wall first! One of Labours aims is to double Science research and training investment in order to bring about this high tech transition.

Sounds like you're the one with the doom and gloom approach AlecR - why don't you just leave us visonaries who are filled with hope to drag the country out of the mire?

 

[CorrectHorseBattery]

Total Rubbish.

Care to elaborate?

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Indeed.

I'm on my phone so can't write up a proper reply, all I'll say is that thankfully there's no way such a terrible idea would ever get implemented.

I would be out of the country in a heart beat as I'm sure a huge number of others would be too.

Bye - don't let the door hit you in the *** on the way out. I'm sure someone will be happy to fill your job when you leave

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Care to elaborate?

Would you care to elaborate?

 

[Basher]

Care to elaborate?

Which skills were you talking about that we've lost?

 

[CorrectHorseBattery]

Which skills were you talking about that we've lost?

There is no way we could produce the same amount of iPhones per hour as the Chinese do, for example.

 

[Danthus]

There is no way we could produce the same amount of iPhones per hour as the Chinese do, for example.

That isn't a skill, that is being flogged to death.

 

[CorrectHorseBattery]

That isn't a skill, that is being flogged to death.

What I am saying is, why would Apple reduce the number of iPhones they could make?

They wouldn't.

 

[Firestar_3x]

Depends what you define as 'manufacturing'. The skill set a typical Chinese factory worker will have is minimal, so no problems with that, not that those types of jobs are likely to come back to the UK anyway.

On the other side of the coin, the number of people applying to study engineering related subjects has increased a significant amount over the last 5 or so years, all of these people are prime to emerge into the manufacturing / engineering industry.

Just look at the success of JLR in recent years, we now have a bigger car industry than we had in the 70's, i wonder which woodwork all those people who work in the plants crawled out of...