The EU Migrant Crisis

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arknor said:
Sweden is taking in any Syrians fleeing war, so we don't need to worry about their plight
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EU's Frontex border agency said a trade in fake Syrian passports had emerged, mainly in Turkey.
"They know Syrians get the right to asylum in the European Union," Frontex chief Fabrice Leggeri told French radio.
 
Thompson_NCL said:
3. I assumed it was implicit in my post, but I don't actually think the Germans have anything to feel guilty about. But they do feel guilty, which is why they are allowing their country to be overrun.
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Overrun...Really? Overrun. Wow. Last time I was in Germany, it didn't look overrun. Far from it actually....I guess my Daily Mail comment seems to have hit a nail on the head. You are even using their language. Well done.

Thompson_NCL said:
And yet the number of Iraqi refugees to the EU are negligible. So what has the supposed "illegal war" got to do with this? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

Now tell me, in which of the following nations (top 15 counties of origin) did we wage illegal wars? Eritrea, Afghanistan, Syria, Morocco, Albania, Pakistan, India, Tunisia, Nigeria, Ukraine, Algeria, Serbia, Kosovo, Bangladesh, Somalia.
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Afghanistan from that specific list. And to a minor extend Syria (bombing / dropping weapons). That's 26.1% of refugees that came from those country in 2014. Haven't got 2015 statistics yet, should be a lot larger for this year.

Nice way to avoid Iraq I see, but I won't. Here is the story of Iraq.

By 2008, the continuous violence that unfolded since US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003 has displaced a total of 4.7 million people: 2.7 millions are internally displaced persons (IDPs), and the remaining 2 millions have fled the country in search of refuge. Iraqis have become the third largest refugee population after the Afghans and the Palestinians. “That means that more than 15 per cent of Iraq’s population has been displaced, one out of every six.
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Including Iraq that's 29.5% of all refugees that have come from these illegal wars and that's from last year when the number of refugees was fairly small compared to this year.

Yes I do realise that a large portions of the problem is economic immigrants. But these aren't the actual problem, because they will never receive an asylum to stay. 95% of economic migrants will be sent back in within a few years at the most.

The problem is we are not accepting genuine war fleeing refuges. Christ even some Afghanistan translators are not being given asylum by this government and they were helped the British troops out when the war was going on....

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Thompson_NCL said:
I sourced evidence of the fact we're importing criminality. Do you care to refute the claim with actual debate?
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No I won't because I can't be asked. You can find a source for almost any stupid thing if you look long enough.

I mean what are you even trying to achieve? That a small percentage of immigrants are not saints? That there might be some bad apples?

Yeah...I don't need a source for that. That's common sense.
 
I'd like to know how many migrants OP is personally going home in his house to give them a better life. Surely he would like to be housed by a native in their country if bombs were flying past daily and the risk of death is high in Britain.
 
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Gux said:
Yes I do realise that a large portions of the problem is economic immigrants. But these aren't the actual problem, because they will never receive an asylum to stay. 95% of economic migrants will be sent back in within a few years at the most.
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Any facts or links on this, as 95% is little optimistic I think? Just saying. ;)

Or is it 0.95% now that's a realistic number. :D

Dam I fell of the fence and spilt my popcorn, time for a new box me thinks. :p
 
I want to see how Cameron can campaign on a pro-EU front in the upcoming referendum with this as a backdrop. Other than waiting until cold weather and a stormier med does its thing and then dropping the referendum in at a time when people might have forgotten about everything I really can't see what he's going to do.
 
Something that does strike me is that the vast majority of migrants you see on the news are young men.

The exact sort needed back in their home countries to fight and restore order.

It's a horrible situation but you can't let everyone in, it will only cause issues here.
 
Caged said:
I want to see how Cameron can campaign on a pro-EU front in the upcoming referendum with this as a backdrop. Other than waiting until cold weather and a stormier med does its thing and then dropping the referendum in at a time when people might have forgotten about everything I really can't see what he's going to do.
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He'll find a way. Leaving the EU is just not an option as far as he's concerned.

As for the migrants, well it would be fantastic if Europe could just take them all. But they can't.
 
If the EU wishes to act, it had better be before the next elections as i suspect a large uptake in inflammatory parties will make any decision impossible.

The pivot is moving in Europe and we aren't heading for the greener grass.
 
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