The EU Migrant Crisis

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Tephnos said:
Struggling to stop them?

:D

We're doing absolutely nothing. That's the problem. We need to turn them back when they show up in the boats, or better yet, prevent the boats from even making the journey in the first place. This would in turn discourage future economic migrants from risking their life when the risk far outweighs the reward (right now the reward is too high because as soon as they get here they stay here).
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Its got far beyond economic migrants or just sending them back - there has been huge displacement in the ME over the last few months beyond repressive regimes and/or warzones, lots of political upheaval, etc. i.e. minority groups that previously had some protection afforded by their governments are now at the mercy of other groups that are hostile towards them and so on.
 
I'm now single al4x said:
Surely all the 'let them all in' brigade will have to come to a tipping point?
It's literally impossible to let everyone in.

That suggests there must be a quota. From everyone.
I'd personally be interested in what people think this should be

100k a Year? 1m?
Where does everyone draw their line?
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I wouldn't even suggest opening borders with the common wealth. I would definitely prefer to prioritise common wealth immigration though, over europe and everywhere else. I would include US and Canada in that. The UK by now should have open border agreements with the US where people are allowed a working visa a lot easier than it is now. I would completely close the borders to all muslim countries for working visa. I would also implement new rules on ownership of land and ownership of businesses.

With refugees i think ending sanctions and working to send them back with working with host countries to improve their opportunities is better than letting them all in. If they want to apply for the UK then they can try get a visa, if they have a profession and a family and the rest then i would prioritise them as economic migrants. I would only start letting in asylum seekers from syria once isreal lets some in.
 
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Caged said:
The other trend tends to be for the more liberal posters to not call people with views different to their own 'retards' at every opportunity though. It sort of evens out. Even if you're making a good point, feeling the need to be super unique and make a point about left-wing posters being liberal retards in a fairytale (left isn't necessarily liberal but whatever) isn't a good way to get it across.

Also lol if you're so far gone that you think "kill the foreign scum" and "I am a liberal I think we should let them all in" are at equal points either side of the centre ground, to the extent where reading it provokes a reaction where you feel like you're having to put up with something.
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Yes I agree with you on the inflammatory use of the word retard, perhaps you missed his post.

Boycey0211 said:
same old faces, same old stories.


Although FoxEye is a breath of fresh air for actually trying to discuss the issue which is always nice. (He's been around long enough to know what GD is like, therefore his opinion/discussion is actually worthwhile)

Classic tards are in though,

let me guess next 8-10-100 pages will be 'why are we in the EU?' 'Why do they all come here?'

I'll lay £10 on it now certain posters will bang on about it and ignore everyone else
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Just airdrop tablet PCs with ITV and Channel 5 shows playing on a loop, and explain Piers Morgan and James Corden were born here and I'm sure that will change their minds.
 
Maybe we could do some kind of swap deal. We'll take some migrants if they take Russell Brand, Jonny Vegas, Ian Duncan Smith....
 
Tunney said:
There's 750,000 empty homes in the UK. I'd nationalise a couple of houses down The Bishop's Avenue to house them all in.
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With an already pressured NHS, schools and those already on housing waiting lists, seems a great idea ... Plus its not the end of it. You house the first lot and more will want to come, hardly sustainable and is giving out the wrong message. All it does it encourage more to risk their lives and for some die on the journey.

I don't see why we should house these people across the whole of the EU. Would it not make sense to have further large refugee camps set up and properly run, keeping them there safe until their homes are safer to return to? Which in turn would also stop many lives being wasted as they try to cross via boat and in trucks as they would know it is a pointless journey to make and so less willing to attempt it. Where as now they think there is a chance of staying in the EU, so risk it. Remove the chance to a certain no and they will be thinking otherwise. In the case of the Syrian refugees reaching Turkey, they are safe there and you would think happy enough to be safe and out of a war zone but no, they risk it further. I have nothing against giving aid to keep them safe and well in the first safe country they reach. But it seems the situation is just being used as a guise and chance for a free pass to Europe which they are willing to risk everything for. The liberal left and associated views with the attitude of 'let them all in' is just fueling the situation and making it worse.
 
Why do we have to house them?

Genuine question here. Surely we (the EU as a whole) could come up with a better solution? We have enough land to create refugee camps, to provide safety, food, water and medical care for as long as it takes for matters to calm down back home. That's a win-win situation, surely? We can take in more refugees for a far lower financial and cultural cost, while also removing some of the reasons why they are willing to travel so far.

To me, that seems like the best possible solution. Giving families houses and trying to integrate them, on this scale, probably isn't going to work.
 
Caged said:
We are struggling to stop them now, so how would you go about stopping them once a quota has been reached? These are desperate people (whether you see them as desperate to escape their home countries or desperate to get a hand out in Europe is up to you), so do you really think if you stand at the border and announce "that's it for this year, try again later" they're going to turn around and go home?
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We are not struggling to stop them were struggling to process them and register them and accept them.

Once they're here have a great big ferry set up all put atriaght back on it and dumped back on the coast they came from.


Soon they won't have the money to pay the traffickers at the same time we need to be using interpol etc to target the trafficking groups and start a resting them and seizing their funds.
 
anything I don't mind said:
I wouldn't even suggest opening borders with the common wealth. I would definitely prefer to prioritise common wealth immigration though, over europe and everywhere else. I would include US and Canada in that. The UK by now should have open border agreements with the US where people are allowed a working visa a lot easier than it is now. I would completely close the borders to all muslim countries for working visa. I would also implement new rules on ownership of land and ownership of businesses.

With refugees i think ending sanctions and working to send them back with working with host countries to improve their opportunities is better than letting them all in. If they want to apply for the UK then they can try get a visa, if they have a profession and a family and the rest then i would prioritise them as economic migrants. I would only start letting in asylum seekers from syria once isreal lets some in.
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It's easy to dismiss this as "lol groen", but I'm genuinely intrigued to know whether you read what you write, or think as you do it. Because you've just said that you'd want nobody from Malaysia working in the UK, and you'd rather have people migrating here from Bangladesh and Rwanda than the rest of the EU countries.
 
Did anyone catch the Sky News Press Preview? As well as Emma Thompson on Newsnight...

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Chojin said:
"An excess of empathy is like living on dessert. It feels good in the moment, but will kill you in the long run. "

Very true
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Yep.

This video sums up rationally everything I've discussed myself with a friend...

Diversity only works like he says when you have a rational methodology for resolving disputes, scientists, mathematicians and dieticians etc diversity is great. Differences of opinion occur they don't resort to violence because they are not insane.

But you take a whole bunch of highly religious and superstitious people, what do you think happens when you take in these people? they all of a sudden change their ways? and like he says in the video too, Do these people worship diversity like we seem to? yeah obviously because the middle east is such a diverse and tolerant place....

They really tolerate atheism too in the middle east... sarc sarc. There are a LOT of atheists in Europe.... gonna be interesting to see how that one turns out.

No.... like someone said earlier in thread they bring their problems here. And as I said earlier in the thread their country isn't the problem it's them.

This is what I've always said time and time again, this is nothing to do with skin colour. It's the backwards mindsets that are the problem.

The west fought for a LONG damn time to remove all this backwards ******** and free ourselves from religion.... this didn't happen over night it took a DAMN long time and many people died for it too.

I watch a lot of documentaries and one on Afghanistan called "this is what winning looks like" the local elders all go around BUGGERING YOUNG BOYS. And guess the kicker? they all see it as ACCEPTABLE. Now would you welcome with open arms someone like this into your neighbourhood? this is a tiny example of what I'm getting at and one I could pick from memory. If you say yes, good you can shack them up in your house.

Europe got this way with a LOT of work. It wasn't chance. Europe is literally one of the nicest places in the world to live... it really is and it took a lot of people dying for it to reach this point. Then you see a bunch of migrants smashing up Paris.... does anyone want that? of course not. It doesn't make them racist and intolerant.

Another point too he made which I thought myself , yeah it's nice people want to help Syrians that is fine then (you can choose to donate etc I did that a while back). What you do is you sponsor them and bring them into your own home, you don't use the public purse to fund your own moral self congratulation....
 
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I dunno ME is actually pretty diverse - lots and lots of fragmented minorities... tolerant not so much - hence a lot of why these problems exist.
 
V F said:
Did anyone catch the Sky News Press Preview? As well as Emma Thompson on Newsnight...

Skip to 1:31

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What is she doing preaching? What has she got to worry about? Immigrants aren't going to take her job, their not going to move in next door to her multi million pound house in Hampstead.

It's these people that pee me off more than anything. Thompsons always been a major leftie. Proper tree hugging, lentil bake farting, save the world liberal. And to top it off, she's accusing people against immigration of racism. Prat.
 
robfosters said:
What is she doing preaching? What has she got to worry about? Immigrants aren't going to take her job, their not going to move in next door to her multi million pound house in Hampstead.

It's these people that pee me off more than anything. Thompsons always been a major leftie. Proper tree hugging, lentil bake farting, save the world liberal. And to top it off, she's accusing people against immigration of racism. Prat.
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Yup.

Immigration is great..... as long as it doesn't affect me. All I heard was her accusing people of being racist and I shut it off. So British taxpayers are just expected to subsidise refugees from Syria? whilst the government are busy cutting disability benefit for their own citizens....

These people are as dumb as racists, they're equal to me to be honest. Both are divorced from rational discussion, whether you're racist or a liberal self congratulating twerp. Both don't seem able to discuss things rationally or look at the problem objectively.

She should invite a bunch of Syrian refugees into her own home. Practice what you preach, go ahead. I dare you.

Say what you want about Russell Brand some of you. But at one point he had a bunch of homeless people living with him.... he invited them into his own home to help them get back on their feet.
 
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Precisely. As much as I hate Cameron, I think he's completely right on the immigration issue. There's no real right answer as both have dire consequences (although arguably, deporting those we can't sustain is the lesser of two evils).

Although watch him bend over soon enough.

(On the sidenote, at the risk of bringing the independence crowd in here, my opinion of it has shifted from Yes to No as of currently, because I definitely don't trust Sturgeon to not screw this up royally if we were independent - I don't trust Cameron either, but I think the SNP would be too liberal about dealing with this, possibly ending up with the ****storm Sweden has).
 
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A few years ago Emma Thompson was acting a scene for Last Chance Harvey with Dustin Hoffman on the Southbank by the BFI. I know this because I was working there at the time.

I knew who Hoffman was but no idea who Emma Thompson was, I stood behind her chair and asked my colleague "who's that?". She turned around and looked at me in a way that will haunt me forever, as if to say "my gosh young man, knoweth you not who I am you filthy peasant?".

Emma, if you're reading this, hi.

Sorry, back to your solving the world's immigrant crisis :p
 
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