The EU Migrant Crisis

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amigafan2003 said:
95% of Arab nations are run by corrupt royal families and are complete cess pits - I don't know why you'd want to leave Syria and go to the UAE or Bahrain for instance - that would make no sense - out of the frying pan and into the fire.
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are you on crack? they are perfectly safe countries

anyway there are other alternatives perfectly safe ones that don't involve risking your kids lives at sea you just won't get free handouts which is clearly what they want over their own safety
 
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haz_pro said:
The key part is in bold; the countries they are entering do offer this.
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The point he was making is that the convention allows for the refugee to continue travelling in certain instances - i.e. if they have no faith that the current country will process thier asylum claim correctly - something which is certainly currently a concern in Turkey, Greece and Hungary for example.
 
Tefal said:
but its a requirement of the Geneva convention that they only enter a country illegally from an unsafe one.

ie cross from Syria to turkey illegally = ok if you turn yourself into the turks they ant treat you different

cross from France to the uk illegally = no you can be treated differently because you were not leaving an unsafe country
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it doesnt change your status as a Refugee to that of a Migrant though
It just means we can remove you and drop you at the first country you enterered Europe via (although in practice this is difficult if they wont tell you) for them to process your claim
 
Yes, there is no requirement that a refugee should be able to choose the safe country he ends up in. If they cross into Turkey, and choose not to seek asylum in Turkey, then they are migrants, plain and simple.

They are making a choice to prolong their journey, specifically to seek asylum in Germany (etc), because they believe they will be offered better terms there, not because they cannot claim asylum sooner in one of the other countries they are crossing.

So they start to lose some sympathy... If they die on a part of the journey that wasn't essential to their safety, then the choice they made to expose themselves to more risk than necessary should be partly to blame for their deaths.
 
gettothechopper said:
it doesnt change your status as a Refugee to that of a Migrant though
It just means we can remove you and drop you at the first country you enterered Europe via (although in practice this is difficult if they wont tell you) for them to process your claim
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in all practicality they arnt refuges once there in the eu, they could ask for hel pand get it right there on the border, but not they keep moving because they want a better economic situation at that point they are an economic migrant they are moving not for safety but for prospects.
 
arknor said:
are you on crack? they are perfectly safe countries
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No, but it sounds like you are.

UAE human rights issues:-

Aarbitrarily detains individuals it perceives as posing a threat.
Security forces torture detainees in pretrial detention.
Authorities have invoked repressive laws to prosecute critics of the government.
Labor abuses persist, as migrant construction workers facing serious exploitation, including on one of the country’s most high-profile projects. Female domestic workers are excluded from regulations that apply to workers in other sectors.

Bahrain human rights issues:-

The country’s courts convict and imprison peaceful dissenters and have failed to hold officials accountable for torture and other serious rights violations. Security forces continue to use disproportionate force to quell unrest. Human rights activists and members of the political opposition arrested and prosecuted and dozens have been stripped of their citizenship.
Restricts freedom of speech.
Jailed and fined award-winning Bahraini photographers.
Migrant workers in Bahrain endure serious abuses such as unpaid wages, passport confiscation, unsafe housing, excessive work hours, physical abuse and forced labor.
 
arknor said:
are you on crack? they are perfectly safe countries

anyway there are other alternatives perfectly safe ones that don't involve risking your kids lives at sea you just won't get free handouts which is clearly what they want over their own safety
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I'm not so sure that's true, tbh.

I've read reports that muslim migrants in Suadi are treated like dirt. Spat at, hit, abused. I believe there is footage of this floating around the net (is it faked? Who knows).

If Qatar is anything to go by, you wouldn't rule it out.

Money rules these countries, and having a lot of money can change attitudes dramatically towards people who don't have any. We all know muslims are not "brothers" if they are from a different sect, and if you were non-muslim... I wouldn't even /think/ about entering those countries as a refugee.
 
Tefal said:
in all practicality they arnt refuges once there in the eu, they could ask for hel pand get it right there on the border, but not they keep moving because they want a better economic situation at that point they are an economic migrant they are moving not for safety but for prospects.
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That's a nonsense as they can claim asylum in the UK when they reach Turkey. But the chances of having thier application processed correctly (if at all) in Turkey is practically zero. This is why refugees continue travelling - to find somewhere that will process them correctly. France and Germany are just better at it than Turkey, Greece, Hungary etc (partly because they just have so many to process).

It's like a supermarket - if you reach the first till and it has 10 people queing, you'll look for another till that has a smaller queue.
 
I could m ake a list up that makes britain sound similar..


We don't detain individuals we perceive as a threat?
We never tortured anyone! we didn't know about the usa black sites...
Tony blair wasn't a war criminal at all he had legit reasons for invading iraq, the wmds weren't a lie
authorities are clamping down on protests.
where was that area your not allowed to have protests now?
Labor abuses persist with workers exploited with 0hour contracts, poor equality between the sexes etc.
Parliment full of nonses hiding evidence about raping and abusing our children.
royal family who is actually german but changed their name to an english sounding one.
how many of our leaders went to eton again? corrupt as hell.
police won't care if you live at an odd numbered house and get burgled.
no real democracy just look at the reponses to yougov petitions

don't forget we are demonising our own jobless, disabled , mentally ill etc with the government claiming 50% of them can work and they will change the fit for work test to see what types of jobs they can do.
thousands aren't dying every year after being stripped off their benefits.

welcome to the utopia of britain
 
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amigafan2003 said:
This is why refugees continue travelling - to find somewhere that will process them correctly. France and Germany are just better at it than Turkey, Greece, Hungary etc.
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ahhh ok I see all those refugees camped out in Calais are just wanting to come to Britain because they don't trust the French to handle their paperwork?
 
arknor said:
I could m ake a list up that makes britain sound similar..


We don't detain individuals we perceive as a threat?
We never tortured anyone! we didn't know about the usa black sites...
Tony blair wasn't a war criminal at all he had legit reasons for invading iraq, the wmds weren't a lie
authorities are clamping down on protests.
where was hat ares your not allowed to have protests now?
Labor abuses persist with workers exploited with 0hour contracts, poor equality between the sexes etc.
Parliment full of nonses hiding evidence about raping and abusing our children.
royal family who is actually german but changed their name to an english sounding one.
how many of our leaders went to eton again? corrupt as hell.

no real democracy just look at the reponses to yougov petitions
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Yup - you are on crack.

But fine, carry on believeing the UAE and Bahrain are as safe as the UK :-)
 
amigafan2003 said:
Yup - you are on crack.

But fine, carry on believeing the UAE and Bahrain are as safe as the UK :-)
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And you keep carrying on believing that we can sustain so many migrants without repercussions.

Offer a proper solution or sew up that bleeding heart of yours, it's making a mess.
 
amigafan2003 said:
Yup - you are on crack.

But fine, carry on believeing the UAE and Bahrain are as safe as the UK :-)
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they might not be as safe as the uk but they are perfectly safe places to live out your life.

your just expected to earn a living.

n a joint statement, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, said they "will do their share" to fight against the jihadist group that has taken control of large swathes of Iraq and Syria
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what is their fair share ? ????
 
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