The EU Migrant Crisis

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Tephnos said:
No I've just given up with you. No point.
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A shame - I was enjoying the debate.

I suggest it's probably best for you in future to stay out of topics that require higher order critical thinking skills.
 
amigafan2003 said:
A shame - I was enjoying the debate.

I suggest it's probably best for you in future to stay out of topics that require higher order critical thinking skills.
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I hope you realise you're making yourself look like an utter pleb with your 'holier than thou' attitude.

It's why I stopped bothering.
 
Tephnos said:
I hope you realise you're making yourself look like an utter pleb with your 'holier than thou' attitude..
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Why should I care what strangers on a forum think? Besides - I'm far from a pleb - you do know what a pleb is don't you?

I stopped bothering
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Your continued responses suggest otherwise.

Anyway - it's been a very entertaining discussion, I'm going for a break and a drive - we'll catch up later.
 
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How come most of the refugees are men with very few women, have they just run off and left the women to fend for themselves
 
Usher said:
How come most of the refugees are men with very few women, have they just run off and left the women to fend for themselves
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The able bodied men are able to make the trek across the EU.

Afaik the sick, disabled and old all got left behind.
 
amigafan2003 said:
No, but it sounds like you are.

UAE human rights issues:-

Aarbitrarily detains individuals it perceives as posing a threat.
Security forces torture detainees in pretrial detention.
Authorities have invoked repressive laws to prosecute critics of the government.
Labor abuses persist, as migrant construction workers facing serious exploitation, including on one of the country’s most high-profile projects. Female domestic workers are excluded from regulations that apply to workers in other sectors.

Bahrain human rights issues:-

The country’s courts convict and imprison peaceful dissenters and have failed to hold officials accountable for torture and other serious rights violations. Security forces continue to use disproportionate force to quell unrest. Human rights activists and members of the political opposition arrested and prosecuted and dozens have been stripped of their citizenship.
Restricts freedom of speech.
Jailed and fined award-winning Bahraini photographers.
Migrant workers in Bahrain endure serious abuses such as unpaid wages, passport confiscation, unsafe housing, excessive work hours, physical abuse and forced labor.
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UK human rights issues:
- Denies prisoners the vote
- Restricts freedom of speech
- Detention without trial
- Police shooting to death of unarmed black man
- Several cases of slavery
 
Tephnos said:
Offer a proper solution or sew up that bleeding heart of yours, it's making a mess.
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No, absolutely not.

This is an open discussion forum, and the issue being discussed is quite obviously vastly complex and there is no obvious or easy solution to it - if there even is one.

However, some of the "solutions" and opinions voiced so far in this thread are quite objectively morally repugnant and they deserve to be taken to account, scrutinised and criticised. It should not be prerequisite that other posters need to have they're own alternative solution before doing so, or this would just end up as a sounding board of mostly hard right opinions. If that's what you want, go and post on the Daily Mail comments section where you will receive resounding appraisal, if you can't take such critique.

Don't be so arrogant to think that you can get away with legitimising your own arguments because the person who challenges you does so without presenting an alternative solution. As I said earlier, this is a subject that deserves proper consideration, not just hysterical one sided opinions, regardless of whether solutions can be offered during that debate.

Similarly, some of you are showing incredible arrogance by resorting to calling anyone who disagrees with your stance "left wing loonies", "bleeding hearts", etc. Not being able to recognise that it's perfectly possible to disagree with a hard line stance without being at completely the other end of the political and moral spectrum makes certain posters look like ignorant, childish fools and does nothing to add to the debate.

I don't agree with a lot of the opinions here which think we should do nothing to help the situation, but neither am I for unregulated and uncontrolled migration, so that hardly makes me a "lily livered liberal" or whatever. It's very sad indeed that simply expressing a more compassionate opinion, and objecting to those who would advocate mass genocide, incites such vitriolic name calling. Grow up.
 
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Conscript said:
It's very sad indeed that simply expressing a more compassionate opinion, and objecting to those who would advocate mass genocide, incites such vitriolic name calling. Grow up.
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And this is where you lost my interest. Don't think at any point I advocated genocide at all.

And if you make such bold claims to the contrary without offering actual workable solutions, open discussion forum or not, then who is going to care to listen? 'We should do more!' How? 'We should do more!' Well then.

StriderX said:
No such thing as an objective view of morality, you don't get to disregard "repugnant" views because yours is "clearly correct".
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Yep.
 
amigafan2003 said:
So you're saying "don't help" because something bad "might" happen?

What kind of reasoning is that?

I'm not suggesting we let in a load of refugees and that's it - no more to be done. Helping refugees requires a co-ordinated approach to integrate them into society, ensure those feared "enclaves" don't spring up, good education for them, job creation, sustainable housing, appropriate policing, adequate healthcare, social safety nets etc - all things required to ensure your imagined "bad" repurcussions don't materialise.
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Quarter of a million somali's in Britain, including 2nd generation. 33% of them get 5 GCSE's. Unemployment is at 65% in men (nevermind the women who traditionally have even lower results)
This is in comparison to 15% unemployment from other black african migrants.

They have had the same opportunities and given everything you list as have the other groups yet remarkably failed to achieve even a basic level intergration or benefit to the country.

To the level that if 30,000 of them got a job (bringing their level of employment up to other african migrants and assuming only 60,000 of the quarter million are men of working age which is generous) we would be saving 600m a year (assuming an average of 20k benefits per man, it could be more)

My point is you can give people everything (at great cost, which is an issue in itself). It doesnt stop "repercussions" if the relationship is entirely one sided.
 
robfosters said:
We all knew it was coming. Looks like Cameron's done a U-turn. Spineless sod.
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He's just going with the tide (pun not intended) of public opinion.

Thankfully he doesn't take notice of opinion on these forums.
 
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