Help me change car

wesley said:
how old is your 172?

i would never spend 6,000 (loaned) pounds on a 7 years old, 100k + miles dag dag dag car, coming from 172.

up to you.

very poor car choice
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My 172 is 2004, so its 4 years newer.
Its not 6k its 2.5k for the Megane, so a MUCH reduced amount.
 
Why not consider the 1.8 civic previously mentioned mine does 37 mpg on a 5 mile commute that's mostly stop start traffic and easily available in your budget, ride might be too harsh though
 
Relentless81 said:
Why not consider the 1.8 civic previously mentioned mine does 37 mpg on a 5 mile commute that's mostly stop start traffic and easily available in your budget, ride might be too harsh though
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Will have a look, sorry i didn't see the mention before

Edit: 130Bhp. Bit far below what i was looking for
 
Diagro said:
Will have a look, sorry i didn't see the mention before

Edit: 130Bhp. Bit far below what i was looking for
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140 and 0-60 within 8 seconds, you need to not obsess over this or you'll never find a car, I came from a 190 bhp car to the civic and it doesn't bother me in the slightest the engine is quite honestly brilliant its not frustrating at all and I've had the type-r version in the past
 
Does a Alpfa GT JTD Cloverleaf coupe not fit the bill?

I now my old demo used to easy do 50mpg even with me giving it the 18 year old lead foot driving style when I had it?
 
Diagro said:
Edit: 130Bhp. Bit far below what i was looking for
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That's a fairly arbitrary statement when bhp on it's own is not the deciding factor of performance.

If we go by book figures alone:

Megane RS Dci 175 vs Civic 1.8 i-VTEC

bhp: 172 vs 138
0-60: 8.2 vs 8.6 seconds
Top speed: 137 vs 138 mph
MPG: 43 vs 44
VED Band: H vs G
"Insurance Group": 24 vs 21

Seems like you have your heart set on another Renault regardless of what others have said and are now just trying to justify it to yourself.

I assume your are getting one with the "cup" chassis as well, so obviously your back isn't that much of a decided factor in this "choice"


source:
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/facts-and-figures/renault/megane/renaultsport-2006/37157/
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/facts-and-figures/honda/civic/hatchback-2006/32756/
 
Diagro said:
Will have a look, sorry i didn't see the mention before

Edit: 130Bhp. Bit far below what i was looking for
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Relentless81 said:
140 and 0-60 within 8 seconds, you need to not obsess over this or you'll never find a car, I came from a 190 bhp car to the civic and it doesn't bother me in the slightest the engine is quite honestly brilliant its not frustrating at all and I've had the type-r version in the past
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Armageus said:
That's a fairly arbitrary statement when bhp on it's own is not the deciding factor of performance.

If we go by book figures alone:

Megane RS Dci 175 vs Civic 1.8 i-VTEC

bhp: 172 vs 138
0-60: 8.2 vs 8.6 seconds
Top speed: 137 vs 138 mph
MPG: 43 vs 44
VED Band: H vs G
"Insurance Group": 24 vs 21

Seems like you have your heart set on another Renault regardless of what others have said and are now just trying to justify it to yourself.

I assume your are getting one with the "cup" chassis as well, so obviously your back isn't that much of a decided factor in this "choice"


source:
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/facts-and-figures/renault/megane/renaultsport-2006/37157/
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/facts-and-figures/honda/civic/hatchback-2006/32756/
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Don't focus too much on the headline BHP figures alone... there are other things to consider like weight, gearing and torque along with simply the shape of the torque and bhp curve that will have a drastic effect on how the car feels to you.

A 450BHP 1500KG car with a flat torque curve and long gearing can feel much more boring than a 160BHP 1000KG with a peaky curve and shorter gearing.
 
Are you open to modifying the new car?

You could pick up a decent vag 140 diesel for say £3 - 3.5k, then spend the rest at somewhere like darkside developments on an uprated turbo kit, clutch/dmf, etc. The 140bhp diesel engine will easily handle 230bhp and the torque increase once the clutch and dmf has been sorted.

I moved from a 182, to a 2.0tdi jetta (140) that i paid £3k for. The turbo failed after a couple of months so I opted for a hybrid turbo, because I wanted something stronger than the original turbo, but also more power as i'd also planned on remapping the car anyway. I'd have preferred to go to darkside developments, but they had a 3 month waiting list to get in and i needed my car.

The Hybrid turbo was £1000 fitted and mapped, i'm still on the original clutch and dmf, and i've covered about 15k miles now. Power is a little over 200bhp, and compared to my 182, it's probably <1.0 second slower to 60, but it's probably a little quicker if anything from say 30-40 onwards. It's definately not as fun to drive though, but i've recently upgraded the dampers and springs to help that a little.

I expect the clutch and dmf will need replacing at some point, but they surprising still going strong and showing no signs of wear.

As for mpg, it currently cost me around £52-54 to fill the tank (always refill to full once the light comes on), and i'll get at least 550 miles from that, best yet is 655 miles over a week of use, but that included a couple of site visited that i took it steady on over probably around 300 miles. And my commute to work is quite economical.

Just another option and the way i ended up going from my cliosport. It wasn't all intentional and i originally moved from the clio to the VW to save money and move away from modifing my car. After just over a year of use i've probably not yet broken even on the extra cost of the turbo over the savings i've made in fuel, and a clutch and dmf will probably take almost a year to break even on once they need doing. But i needed a bigger more comfortable car for my growing family, so need to move on sooner rather than later anyway.

Plus i'd have probably spent quite a bit of money on the clio if i'd have kept it longer. Still miss that car, and find myself looking at the classified section on the cliosport forum.
 
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Darryl_1983 said:
Are you open to modifying the new car?

You could pick up a decent vag 140 diesel for say £3 - 3.5k, then spend the rest at somewhere like darkside developments on an uprated turbo kit, clutch/dmf, etc. The 140bhp diesel engine will easily handle 230bhp and the torque increase once the clutch and dmf has been sorted.

I moved from a 182, to a 2.0tdi jetta (140) that i paid £3k for. The turbo failed after a couple of months so I opted for a hybrid turbo, because I wanted something stronger than the original turbo, but also more power as i'd also planned on remapping the car anyway. I'd have preferred to go to darkside developments, but they had a 3 month waiting list to get in and i needed my car.

The Hybrid turbo was £1000 fitted and mapped, i'm still on the original clutch and dmf, and i've covered about 15k miles now. Power is a little over 200bhp, and compared to my 182, it's probably <1.0 second slower to 60, but it's probably a little quicker if anything from say 30-40 onwards. It's definately not as fun to drive though, but i've recently upgraded the dampers and springs to help that a little.

I expect the clutch and dmf will need replacing at some point, but they surprising still going strong and showing no signs of wear.

As for mpg, it currently cost me around £52-54 to fill the tank (always refill to full once the light comes on), and i'll get at least 550 miles from that, best yet is 655 miles over a week of use, but that included a couple of site visited that i took it steady on over probably around 300 miles. And my commute to work is quite economical.

Just another option and the way i ended up going from my cliosport. It wasn't all intentional and i originally moved from the clio to the VW to save money and move away from modifing my car. After just over a year of use i've probably not yet broken even on the extra cost of the turbo over the savings i've made in fuel, and a clutch and dmf will probably take almost a year to break even on once they need doing. But i needed a bigger more comfortable car for my growing family, so need to move on sooner rather than later anyway.

Plus i'd have probably spent quite a bit of money on the clio if i'd have kept it longer. Still miss that car, and find myself looking at the classified section on the cliosport forum.
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I love these idea's, And i get to play with it too!
 
crinkleshoes said:
Don't focus too much on the headline BHP figures alone... there are other things to consider like weight, gearing and torque along with simply the shape of the torque and bhp curve that will have a drastic effect on how the car feels to you.

A 450BHP 1500KG car with a flat torque curve and long gearing can feel much more boring than a 160BHP 1000KG with a peaky curve and shorter gearing.
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Which is often measured with the 0-60 time
 
Relentless81 said:
Which is often measured with the 0-60 time
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The 0-60 time doesn't give you the feel, no.

The long geared higher horsepower thing probably reaches 60 in 2nd gear, the smaller one may well require 3rd, increasing the 0-60 time even though the acceleration in each gear might be quicker.

I was more closely referring to the shape of the two curves that gauge the acceleration. Peaky curves "feel" faster because of the change in acceleration as you go through the range and the kick you can get from an engine coming on cam or a turbo kicking in or similar.
 
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