The labour Leader thread...

Nutella33 said:
Possibly... or just people who have no intention of going out of their way to vote on the actual day.

The interesting one for me is the Green voters, possibly annihilating their gains in the last election if it holds true, but also the lack of the SNP swing. doesnt look like it may win labour scotland back if the poll is to be believed.
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What swing? There's no 'Voting intentions' question in this data. Effectively 100% of SNP and Green voters polled supported Corbyn on every question, which isn't much surprise given the similarity.

Agreed on the first bit, but early days yet. If (big if?) the data reflects the reality, and Labour can get those people out on voting day, 2020 could be interesting. 11% is a huge number - on a purely percentage basis that would be enough to swing the vast majority of past elections in their favour.
 
satchef1 said:
What swing? There's no 'Voting intentions' question in this data. Effectively 100% of SNP and Green voters polled supported Corbyn on every question, which isn't much surprise given the similarity.
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I know there isnt but if we are looking at the previous none voters in the last election and extrapolating that as future votes for labour (simply as a theoretical, we both understand) I was just applying a similar conversation across the board.

Agreed on the first bit, but early days yet. If (big if?) the data reflects the reality, and Labour can get those people out on voting day, 2020 could be interesting. 11% is a huge number - on a purely percentage basis that would be enough to swing the vast majority of past elections in their favour.
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sure, I think poll's have become quite unreliable given the last 2 elections, so like you everythings preceded with a big "IF". Its worth talking potentials though given the unending nature of this leadership race.
 
"I don't know what you're talking about"

/walks off.

He should have just sat there and answered the question, I don't really think there's anything wrong with other parties gaining another perspective on things.
 
To ask why he was there and follow him out? I don't agree. At any point in that video he could have stopped and said he was entitled to be there and hadn't been dishonest about who he was etc. The C4 chap even said there's nothing wrong with him being there.
 
Perfectly reasonable to be there; perfectly reasonable to ask him why he was there. Showed himself up badly by walking off like that.
 
If Jeremy Corbyn wins for Labour then he will kill off the party which i am happy about.

No one but ethnic minorities and the far left voted labour in the election and this man is a continuation of milbands legacy of putting ethnic minorities first.

By ethnic minorities, i meant muslim by the way, most sikh's, hindus etc voted Tory simply because labour appeases muslims and many sikh's hindus etc left their countries of origin to escape religious oppression from muslims.
 
I think that's a little different. Rod Altmann acted as advisor to Blair and Brown's governments, on retirement matters, and also advised Steve Webb in the last government.
 
The_Abyss said:
I think that's a little different. Rod Altmann acted as advisor to Blair and Brown's governments, on retirement matters, and also advised Steve Webb in the last government.
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She's someone who it seems could genuinely be a member of both parties.
 
Ireheart said:
If Jeremy Corbyn wins for Labour then he will kill off the party which i am happy about.

No one but ethnic minorities and the far left voted labour in the election and this man is a continuation of milbands legacy of putting ethnic minorities first.

By ethnic minorities, i meant muslim by the way, most sikh's, hindus etc voted Tory simply because labour appeases muslims and many sikh's hindus etc left their countries of origin to escape religious oppression from muslims.
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Which policies of his do you dislike compared to the more "New Labour" candidates that he is standing against? Which ones would you say are aimed to put Muslim issues before those of other members of society?
 
The guy is clearly trolling.

More people voted for Labour this year than in 2010. Vote share increased. They lost largely because of two things; the SNP destroyed them in Scotland with talk of standing up for Scotland and a manifesto that was sat much further to the left than theirs, and the Lib Dems fell apart under Nick Clegg's stupid 'we stand for nothing' election campaign, losing a lot of LIB/CON swing seats to the Tories.

Considering the party was under a weak leader who (many would say) was too far to the left (lol), that's a pretty respectable (though far from good) performance. Labour aren't dead. There's still a decent foundation for them to build upon for the 2020 election.
 
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satchef1 said:
Saturday I believe.

Reports of low turnouts are surprising and disappointing. It'll be interesting to see who it is that votes.
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It's because a lot of members didn't receive a ballot paper.

The whole process seems like a shambles from the beginning. Selectively disqualifying people from voting, failing to ensure everyone had received a ballot paper. No matter what the result is now, there will always be lingering doubt about its validity.
 
How could anyone quantify that, with evidence, at this stage? Labour Party HQ aren't talking about how many ballots have been sent out.

There is, however, plenty of anecdotal evidence that there is a problem. See social media, and David Lammy's claims that, while campaigning on the streets of London for the Mayoral Candidate nomination, he has spoken to a significant number of people who haven't received anything. Whether that actually translates in to a statistically significant number or not is a mystery at this stage. Hopefully not, and hopefully the ultimate result isn't close. Nobody really wants to do all of this again.
 
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