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dowie · 11 Sep 2015 at 14:49

StriderX said:
Perhaps, but the defendants she goes after will most definitely use it against her.

how?

I mean supposing she is suing the MOD on behalf of some Iraqi civilians... how on earth does her tweet of a linked in message have any relevance?

dowie · 11 Sep 2015 at 14:51

The Dread Pirate said:
Really?

yes, they're rather unrelated as has already been pointed out

The Dread Pirate · 11 Sep 2015 at 15:02

dowie said:
yes, they're rather unrelated as has already been pointed out

by you... as myself and spud have stated she's released a clearly private message would you want to employ a solicitor/barrister/lawyer who's making such a clear breach of privacy for her own personal reasons? I certainly wouldn't.

shorttricky · 11 Sep 2015 at 15:02

dowie said:
yup

and why? Well to make a good impression, to appear well presented... because appearances do count and do influence people

if her appearance is nothing to do with business connections etc... then a photo where she has taken the time to do her hair, apply makeup, ensure it is a nice looking photo etc.. is somewhat redundant

When you wore a suit for an interview, did you expect the interviewer to say "well don't you look nice?" when you walked in?

Appearance matters in as much as it shows that you take pride in presenting yourself well. Not that you're fishing for compliments.

Freefaller said:
I'm sure we all have been told we look great/hot at work or in public at some point. Heck i tell my female colleagues "that's a great top but very distracting". Of course I know them, but technically I shouldn't say things like that.

Colleagues is the important word there. I very much doubt you'd speak to a client like that - unless you were bored of working for a living

Drizmod · 11 Sep 2015 at 15:11

shorttricky said:
When you wore a suit for an interview, did you expect the interviewer to say "well don't you look nice?" when you walked in?

I would be chuffed if I got a comment like that. I would think I have a good chance of getting the job as I seem to have made a good first impression

Greebo · 11 Sep 2015 at 15:38

I was once interviewed for a job by the MD in just his shorts and sandals. I was not impressed.

dowie · 11 Sep 2015 at 15:38

The Dread Pirate said:
by you... as myself and spud have stated she's released a clearly private message would you want to employ a solicitor/barrister/lawyer who's making such a clear breach of privacy for her own personal reasons? I certainly wouldn't.

it isn't a breach of privacy, there is no reasonable expectation of privacy in the first place - he isn't a client or someone she knows confiding something private, he's a stranger making a comment about her

StriderX · 11 Sep 2015 at 15:39

Greebo said:
I was once interviewed for a job by the MD in just his shorts and sandals. I was not impressed.

So?

Its not him that's being interviewed.

CREATIVE!11 · 11 Sep 2015 at 15:40

MiKeOnE10110 said:
Oh no lol update time: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...r-centre-sexism-storm-said-men-ogled-web.html

Oh yeah... I forgot. Usually people who are most vocal generally are the biggest hypocrites.

I forgot that old maxim.

dowie · 11 Sep 2015 at 15:42

shorttricky said:
When you wore a suit for an interview, did you expect the interviewer to say "well don't you look nice?" when you walked in?

Appearance matters in as much as it shows that you take pride in presenting yourself well. Not that you're fishing for compliments.

well yes that is the point, appearance does matter - she knows it matters as she's got a picture, which she's taken care to make look presentable etc.. on there in the first place

sure commenting on it is unprofessional but kicking up a fuss about how commenting on it is exercising power over women when she is also using her appearance to market herself is a bit silly

dowie · 11 Sep 2015 at 15:43

Greebo said:
I was once interviewed for a job by the MD in just his shorts and sandals. I was not impressed.

probs best not to apply for companies like google, facebook etc.. then

CREATIVE!11 · 11 Sep 2015 at 15:48

dowie said:
probs best not to apply for companies like google, facebook etc.. then

Yeah I was interviewed for a start-up medical sales company, bosses both turned up in shorts and sandals.

The job was pretty damn good awesome pay and benefits. Pity I didn't get it.

shorttricky · 11 Sep 2015 at 16:04

dowie said:
well yes that is the point, appearance does matter - she knows it matters as she's got a picture, which she's taken care to make look presentable etc.. on there in the first place

sure commenting on it is unprofessional but kicking up a fuss about how commenting on it is exercising power over women when she is also using her appearance to market herself is a bit silly

She is using her appearance in exactly the same way you did when you wore your suit to the interview - you are saying that you are smart, presentable and are making the effort to take this seriously. That's not the same thing as saying "look at me, I'm bang-tidy I am"

I notice the Daily Mail hasn't managed to find one man that Alexander Carter-Silk messaged in a similar way - that would certainly suggest that it is very much because she's a woman, no?

dowie · 11 Sep 2015 at 16:07

shorttricky said:
She is using her appearance in exactly the same way you did when you wore your suit to the interview - you are saying that you are smart, presentable and are making the effort to take this seriously. That's not the same thing as saying "look at me, I'm bang-tidy I am"

well yes... I'm not disputing that, I'm just saying it is silly to make a huge fuss over it and/or pretend that appearance doesn't/shouldn't matter while also using it as part of your marketing

I notice the Daily Mail hasn't managed to find one man that Alexander Carter-Silk messaged in a similar way - that would certainly suggest that it is very much because she's a woman, no?

of course it is

The Dread Pirate · 11 Sep 2015 at 16:10

dowie said:
it isn't a breach of privacy, there is no reasonable expectation of privacy in the first place - he isn't a client or someone she knows confiding something private, he's a stranger making a comment about her

Through Private Messaging ergo private message. She could've just quietly admonished him back but no she released the message without his consent or Knowledge at the time thus showing she can't be trusted with private correspondance. Imagine one day she's dealing with a sexism case that so personally outrages her (which judging by this case would seem to be rather certain) instead of keeping to the Law she decieds the world needs to know and releases the material concerning the case just as she did with this message how badly would that reflect upon her firm(if she parters with one)& Colleagues?

Arthur Hucksake · 11 Sep 2015 at 16:10

Whiny cow. Huge example of a first world problem. Oh noes, somebody said a compliment about me.

What sort of world would it be if nobody ever paid each other compliments in fear of a lawsuit.

FoxEye · 11 Sep 2015 at 16:28

I'm sure most blokes will think twice about paying her a compliment in future...

It's also ironic how she bemoans men having power over women, then uses her social media to completely destroy a man's reputation. In other words, women having power over men is A-OK, fine and dandy. It's not about equality.

She could even have anonymously posted what he'd said. Get a debate going, make her point, and only the two of them would have known it was his comment.

But no. She "named and shamed" him in a move which demonstrates /her/ power and control.

No1newts · 11 Sep 2015 at 16:35

J.T said:
+1, perspective seems to be something lacking in todays society...

24 hour news everything is turned into news. A few likes on Twitter and a journo turns it into national news. I wonder at times where we will all end up if it continues in this direction.

dowie · 11 Sep 2015 at 16:37

The Dread Pirate said:
Through Private Messaging ergo private message.

tis called 'inmail' actually, though the name isn't relevant....

She could've just quietly admonished him back but no she released the message without his consent or Knowledge at the time thus showing she can't be trusted with private correspondance.

there is no expectation of privacy in the first place...

if she'd walked past you in the street one lunchtime and you made a comment to her along those lines and she rebuffed you you can't reasonably expect that she isn't going to share details of your 'private' conversation with people in the office, friends etc.. 'zomg this arrogant guy tried to hit on me outside pret...'

these days people blog stuff, tweet etc... too

an unsolicited message/comment from a complete stranger isn't in any way confidential

Imagine one day she's dealing with a sexism case that so personally outrages her (which judging by this case would seem to be rather certain) instead of keeping to the Law she decieds the world needs to know and releases the material concerning the case just as she did with this message how badly would that reflect upon her firm(if she parters with one)& Colleagues?

that is completely unrelated though - sharing confidential material is rather different to sharing a comment from a random stranger

FoxEye · 11 Sep 2015 at 16:50

dowie said:
if she'd walked past you in the street one lunchtime and you made a comment to her along those lines and she rebuffed you you can't reasonably expect that she isn't going to share details of your 'private' conversation with people in the office, friends etc.. 'zomg this arrogant guy tried to hit on me outside pret...'

"An arrogant guy tried to hit on me today..." would at least protect his identity. She could chastise as vigorously as she cared to, and nobody would get hurt.

What would the law be if she took his photo, without his consent, found his name via a google search or whatever, then posted the conversation along with mugshot and name?

At the very least that would be extremely disproportionate.