The EU Migrant Crisis

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I'm looking forward to seeing what you're going to do with that info.

I genuinely just wondered.

There was literally no reason to ask other than curiosity and knowing that you are currently a student (from what I could gather) and you bringing up degrees made me think "oh what is he actually doing at the moment then?".

And to add to that point like I said earlier in the thread, I wouldn't expect anyone to take in and pay for someone anyway. It's just not realistic to expect that.

Same way I don't expect the government to all of a sudden implement an open door immigration policy despite the crisis that is going on (Or expect people to be happy with such an idea). It doesn't make anyone a bad person or racist or whatever.

is that ralph patoon or whatever his name is? :D

LMAO

Look at you getting all confrontational when your comments are pulled up as being male bovine excrement.

I'm also starting to get the feeling this relationship is becoming turbulent amiga. Do you really think we're right for each other?
 
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So why don't they just spend the money on taking the refugees in in the first place?

Better to spread Islam abroad presumably. Scatter the seed far and wide.

Germany should spend more on mass conversions to Christianity I bet the Saudi's would go ballistic. Almost literally.

Ze germans are not all peaches and cream, they will want their pound of flesh for this

If you mean send them to classes to learn German and jobs for engineering and generally powering the German economy ahead and not letting them vegetate in council approved accomodation and barely speaking a word of English for the rest of their lives then you're probably right. :p
 
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We should take in asylum seeking Germans looking to escape and just let them have the old Germany, though I imagine it's not land they are after and they would just follow the money.

I love ze Germans! Great beer, great fun, great work ethic , sensible folk and know how to drink. Always enjoy my time I spend over there.
 
Hungary not taking the threat lying down:-


"Tough new powers have been issued by the Hungarian government to deal with the growing migrant crisis amid fears the country could be hit by terror attacks linked to the influx of refugees."

"3,800 troops descended on Hungary's border with Serbia this morning to provide live border guards."



http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/604332/Hungary-army-powers-to-SHOOT-refugees-migrant-crackdown

Can't blame them with so many trying to cross their country. They'll be arresting anyone who illegally crosses the border from next week.
 
So why don't they just spend the money on taking the refugees in in the first place?

Better to spread Islam abroad presumably. Scatter the seed far and wide.

Germany should spend more on mass conversions to Christianity I bet the Saudi's would go ballistic. Almost literally.

I assume they'll all be fully partaking in the sausage and beer oktoberfest celebrations, now, then?
 
So why don't they just spend the money on taking the refugees in in the first place?

Better to spread Islam abroad presumably. Scatter the seed far and wide.

Nothing wrong with supporting people of your own religion to maintain that religion.

However in parallel I do feel that there are people attempting to take advantage of the situation.

Someone is funding ISIS, to destabilise the region and perhaps push opposing groups of people away from the region. One of the tactics of war is to wound rather than kill - this puts more pressure on the opposition in terms of logistics and morale.
Therefore it stands that effectively someone is attempting to force the action of the west against by causing a refugee crisis where the only options are:

a) engage in the region - allowing refugees to return, however this normal hindered by the fact that everything is usually destroyed - including infrastructure and economy. This gives ISIS the martyrdom they want and causes weak-minded people to rally to the cause - based on non-islam attacking islamic individuals.

b) take the refugees - providing the option for refugees to settle and become native. Large numbers of refugees can destabilise the country culture and infrastructure however for the UK this is not the case - the number of refugees compared to the GDP is low.
Total Syrian Asylum Applications in Europe
348,540 between Apr 2011 and Jul 2015
138,016 in 2014 only
Note - Data for 37 European countries which provided monthly data to UNHCR.
- data from the long below.. 500K refugees in the EU that has 503 million people. That's 0.09940% of the EU population.

Now given that the arabic states aren't engaging in the region, I would like to see numbers of refugees being taken in by the arabic states. I do think that some states are taking a large number but at the same time I don't think it's been an equal response - much like the EU.

If the refugees are temporary - then the mosques will also be temporary. I think that the statement about SA supporting with mosques is actually to fan the fire of the situation - perhaps putting a full account of aid being provided should also be listed?

This is a good site for data: http://data.unhcr.org/syrianrefugees/regional.php

Why is there no data on Saudi Arabia and other countries? I don't know and that concerns me that we have a very ****-sided view of the situation.


It is certain that going to war is a win-win scenario for their goal (ISIS) of spreading Islam, given the result if martyrdom or refugees, listed above. Turning ISIS against themselves is one option, causing a collapse as fractions via for control/power. However if all members have a roughly similar goal this makes for a very parallel problem i.e. there's no dependences to knock out - except one and that is the relationship between those funding and those fighting. Fighting costs money, either by stealing assets of those 'conquered' or taking from individuals, organisations or states.

Military forces for this parallel problem requires considerable resources. Usually it's more cost effective to assassinate/sour the relationship for those funding, or even target the funding vehicle itself (i.e. if the funding is created by trade, then reducing the reliance on the traded commodity).

This is the reason why I have a very dim view of organised religion. It is often used as a mechanism to attempt to control the minds of the weak, cause suffering and kills children by those who have an alternative agenda that is nothing todo with normal people.

It would be interesting to see that all global states declare publicly that they renounce the violence and the acts of terror. However I have a sneaking suspicion that this will not occur...
 
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Have you ever actually been to or lived in China? The "Universal Healthcare" there is not quite the NHS - you are limited to the amount you can claim per month which is generally a fraction of the cost of the treatment. There is a good reason why there are many news stories about citizens not being able to afford treatment there . . .
 
That's Turks, nothing to do with Syria.

So it's only partially relevant but does still highlight an issue that could crop up, if you are relocating to Germsny to become a German citizen why run around with a Turkish flag?

If I personally relocated somewhere I would do so with the intention of engaging in the culture of the country in question and becoming a citizen. Moving somewhere and creating your own little country within a country is pointless and to me. That being said Brits are equally as guilty of this, thinking Spain mainly.
 
Yep.

History has shown this so far.

Which history books are you reading? Mein Kampf perhaps?

History shows quite the opposite. The Turks in Germany, in example, are slowly being assimilated, they are less religious and more likely to identify themselves as Germans compared to their parents.

I'm a bit surprised by ammout of venom the usual xenophobic suspects are spewing. Your lives must be quite sad if you feel better by attacking desperate refugees, who have risked their lifes running away from a living hell.
 
Very good point and I think it's gonna happen in a short period of time. Funny (but not surprising) how our politicians cannot think about what's gonna happen to people when robots take over, actually this has been crossing my mind for a good couple of years. How the social system will be able to deal with more people out of work? People out of work involuntarily, that is. They bring millions of immigrants here but what they gonna do with them if there is a way robots can do people's jobs?

http://www.businessinsider.com/50-percent-unemployment-robot-economy-2013-1?IR=T

http://www.informationweek.com/it-life/artificial-intelligence-will-put-us-out-of-work/d/d-id/1318875

"If we succeed in building self-driving cars, that's 3.5 million truck drivers who might have to find a new job," he said.

Yes I think it's going to be a problem very soon. Fast food restaurants could be completely automated in the near future.

In the event of massive job losses, with Merkel's communist past I would expect her to introduce universal basic income in Germany which is another socialist flight of fancy. People will be out of work voluntarily, economic migrants included. It obviously won't work, as multinational companies are experts at avoiding tax and with the influx of migrants, the real breadwinners of the country will become fewer and fewer.

Germans need to ask themselves whether they would prefer to live in North or South Korea. If they want to live like a North Korean, then just continue what they are doing.
 
Yes I think it's going to be a problem very soon. Fast food restaurants could be completely automated in the near future.

In the event of massive job losses, with Merkel's communist past I would expect her to introduce universal basic income in Germany which is another socialist flight of fancy. People will be out of work voluntarily, economic migrants included. It obviously won't work, as multinational companies are experts at avoiding tax and with the influx of migrants, the real breadwinners of the country will become fewer and fewer.

Germans need to ask themselves whether they would prefer to live in North or South Korea. If they want to live like a North Korean, then just continue what they are doing.

Can you at least try to use scare mongering in such a way that it doesn't make you sound utterly clueless? Your scenario sounds like an 80's scifi B movie.
 
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