The labour Leader thread...

Housey · 12 Sep 2015 at 15:19

If he lasts to the next election I will be surprised.

Sliver · 12 Sep 2015 at 15:22

Looking forward to his first PMQ's. Should be a good barometer of how well he can fight his corner.

awaybreaktoday · 12 Sep 2015 at 15:24

I agree with is views on Hezbollah and Hamas.......

Jokester · 12 Sep 2015 at 15:24

Housey said:
If he lasts to the next election I will be surprised.

That's the thing, he'll be what, 70? by the next election? Even if he wins that one, he'll then be 75 by the time there's a next election coming round again.

PermaBanned · 12 Sep 2015 at 15:25

Sliver said:
Looking forward to his first PMQ's. Should be a good barometer of how well he can fight his corner.

It's easy to overestimate the importance of PMQs, they're more of a dramatisation of real politics than anything else and only really serve as an opportunity for each side to preach to the converted. Still, wednesday right?

Sliver · 12 Sep 2015 at 15:27

PermaBanned said:
It's easy to overestimate the importance of PMQs, they're more of a dramatisation of real politics than anything else and only really serve as an opportunity for each side to preach to the converted. Still, wednesday right?

Yeah. Still, if you can't hold your own there you lose the confidence of your own party. That's the point I was alluding too.

MichaelAwkward · 12 Sep 2015 at 15:27

Jokester said:
That's the thing, he'll be what, 70? by the next election? Even if he wins that one, he'll then be 75 by the time there's a next election coming round again.

I don't think it's as big an issue as people are making out. More of our PMs have been old/elderly than young. Relatively young PMs is a new phenomenom.

MANFACE · 12 Sep 2015 at 15:30

I'm voting UKIP.

awaybreaktoday · 12 Sep 2015 at 15:31

A new kind of politics for the UK..................

Jokester · 12 Sep 2015 at 15:32

MichaelAwkward said:
I don't think it's as big an issue as people are making out. More of our PMs have been old/elderly than young. Relatively young PMs is a new phenomenom.

It's the public image thing that modern PMs need to account for though, wouldn't have been an issue going back to the pre-TV age.

MichaelAwkward · 12 Sep 2015 at 15:36

Jokester said:
It's the public image thing that modern PMs need to account for though, wouldn't have been an issue going back to the pre-TV age.

Considering a lot of his support lies in the younger age groups, I don't think his image is that big of a deal. He seems more like an actual human being to me than Cameron, Milliband, Blair, etc. And I think that appeals to more people than his opponents would prefer. I don't think his age is an issue, even in today's self-conscious society.

elmuzzy66. · 12 Sep 2015 at 15:40

Considering his past views on the BOT's ( British overseas territories) I am quite worried for us.

No1newts · 12 Sep 2015 at 15:42

FishFluff said:
Laugh it up Tories. Corbyn will most likely gain the support of the young and of those who don't usually vote as they didn't see the point. By giving people an actual alternative he could convince a lot of people into the polling booths.

Yeah knowing today's media age I'm sure the yoof and disenfranchised will flock to the banner of a 70 year old communist who, rightly or wrongly, I'd already being portrayed as pro- unfettered immigration and a friend of terrorists.

It is good to see something different in politics but there is so much easy mud to sling at him he has no chance.

Also pretty much every current shadow cabinet minister resigning, who will step in? His old commie mates (making him further unelectable) or a lot of union folk (making him further unelectable) or who else?

Being completely objective I cannot see how this will work out well for the Labour Party.

elmarko · 12 Sep 2015 at 15:42

amigafan2003 said:
Personally I'm hoping for a war on jobs, free money and blondes wearing high heels and stockings to see where that goes.

I'd vote for that.

Jokester · 12 Sep 2015 at 15:44

MichaelAwkward said:
Considering a lot of his support lies in the younger age groups, I don't think his image is that big of a deal. He seems more like an actual human being to me than Cameron, Milliband, Blair, etc. And I think that appeals to more people than his opponents would prefer. I don't think his age is an issue, even in today's self-conscious society.

I think there's a difference between young socialists voting for him as party leader and the wider voting public voting for him as PM. Michael Foot was slaughtered due in part to his appearance.

C.R.A.Z.Y · 12 Sep 2015 at 15:45

Hikari Kisugi said:
NHS in Norn Iron wasn't destroyed by the Tories.
We've little to none of it privatised, and out hospital A&E times, our waiting list and our success rates are appalling.
We've more contribution per head than anywhere else in the UK, and the Tories have no influence here.

The NHS is simply screwed as it isn't ever going to be a coverall service in its current form. Little to nothing is spent on educating people, or indeed forcing people to improve themselves, and we'll continue to spend more on effects of diabetes without attempting to actually dismantle the cause.

More money is spent on hospital admissions covering removal of rotten teeth from children than any other children's surgical grouping. How much is spend treating the cause, or better, taxing the wholly preventable cause to such a degree it more than pays for itself.

Sugar Tax.
If Corbyn proposed such a thing, it would be a great idea.
NHS ruined itself, but having no long term direction, and no long term plan.
Throwing money at a trust so they can employ every Indian and European doctor, and then import from further afield is an awful way to make the NHS better.

11 contracts and 780Million says otherwise:
http://www.theguardian.com/society/...est-ever-privatisation-deal-to-tackle-backlog ( The Tories would have the whole thing privatized if they could, you know a bit like the US system that came bottom of the study!)

You make out that the NHS is awful and not fit for purpose, a recent US study says otherwise:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...rn-countries-with-us-coming-last-9542833.html

The right-wing media/propaganda has worked wonders on you, I suggest a little critical thinking and skepticism!!

As for the result, GREAT. Let's get back too the old Labour party which setup the greatest healthcare system in the world at a time after WWII in which we owed more money than ever in recorded history (70%GDP Vs 180%GDP!! approx).

Jokester · 12 Sep 2015 at 15:47

Good to see the contracting out of some NHS services to the private sector is doing so well.

elmarko · 12 Sep 2015 at 15:53

I'll be rejoining Labour now it has a leader I agree with. Previously I was a member of the Greens (reluctantly) but didn't want to get involved with the leadership election.

The SNP, Greens, UKIP, Plaid & potentially the Lib-Dems are going to lose a fair amount of members over the next few years. If he will bring any back from the Conservatives is another matter, if he needs to or not depends on how he's able to motivate none voters.

Tunney · 12 Sep 2015 at 15:56

Greens will definitely lose members. Lib Dems will probably gain a few.

In fact, I think you could say that Corbyn is the saviour of the Lib Dem party.

Jokester · 12 Sep 2015 at 15:56

Depends also if those that go towards New Old Labour out number the Closet Tories that joined them during the New Labour era and presumably will float towards the Lib Dems or come out of the closet.