The labour Leader thread...

[Hambut_Bulge]

Another election would be a decade... GE is in 5 years leading to another 5 year term for the elected party.

Sorry wasn't clear. I meant decade from the next election (ie 2020). That'll be such a huge loss for Labour that I can't see how (discounting 'events') they'll recover in time to mount any serious challenge for '25

 

[Vern1961]

I voted Labour last time as a more moderate alternative to the Conservatives (tory-lite) but I can't see myself voting for them in 2020 if this guy or his policies prevail. Definitely a throwback to the 80's, except then it was Kinnock and Foot who came across more as having been kicked out the Working Mens Club at closing time. This guy is educated and a radical which could make him very dangerous.

It will be interesting to see how Cameron works with him on issues which tend to involve behind the scenes co-operation with the Opposition. Although a pre-requisite of taking the job is (presumably) signing the Official Secrets Act, there must be a concern that he might blab. Cue MI5, in that case...

 

[elmarko]

Not really. Because they are not protests about policy based decisions directly effecting our country.

Blair is despised nationwide whose opinion only matters amongst blairites, Saud fears the loss of business, the IDF I doubt give a second thought, never mind fear him and have no ability to influence the UK.

Not really the same level as being welcomed by 4 people actively hostile to our national interest is it?

The groups you have listed are mostly hostile to our foreign policy, which is the main thing Corbyn is challenging, our 'building democracy with bombs' & supporting dictators when it suits us.

 

[koolpc]

there must be a concern that he might blab. Cue MI5, in that case...

Lol......

 

[Nutella33]

The groups you have listed are mostly hostile to our foreign policy, which is the main thing Corbyn is challenging, our 'building democracy with bombs' & supporting dictators when it suits us.

Kircher is hostile to a part of our nation not its foreign policy
Adams is hostile also to a part of our nation and actively participated in bombing our nation and murdering its citizens.

Both areas being democratically chosen to stay as part of our country

Putin is not only hostile to our foreign policy but our values as a western democracy, which is also internal policy and has past for attempting to influence nations we consider friends.
Hezbollah is indeed only a negative towards our foreign policy, but also serves as a conduit to attitudes back home and highly influential with certain sectors of our communities. They are again hostile to values held by a western democracy.

So apart from your assertion being wrong, it also attempts to sideline one of the most important aspects of what makes a nation and how it forwards its national interests. The interaction of the state with others... Which is foreign policy. So it is entirely accurate to suggest that those people are contrary to our national interest, and their support for a party leader is an issue.

Might be worth noting as well that 3 of those 4 who he affiliates with in his quest for stopping us supporting dictators are pretty close to being dictators themselves, and are hardly bastions of liberal thought

This guy is educated and a radical which could make him very dangerous

Not really educated. 2 A levels and quit a union designed degree at uni. If he sounds posh its because he was born in Wiltshire and then spent the rest of the time in southern council jobs.

 

[Faustus]

Corbyn is not Foot, and his policies are definitely not the same. Still, the elecorate did not vote for Brown, and they did not vote for Milliband, so what makes you think they would have voted for "yet another blairite" in the form of Cooper, Burnham or Kendall? At least with Corbyn we're actually trying something different, and we have someone who will actually challenge the tories on social and economic policy rather than just accepting their narrative.

So just for the record then how much are you willing to bet that Corbyn, even if he makes it the next election won't lead Labour into electoral oblivion.

 

[danielanthony]

As far as the exchequer is concerned wealthy is anyone earning over 150k.

So that's 1% of the working population. How much more do you think can be squeezed out of this small group of highly skilled people, considering they already pay 45% income tax before they up sticks and move abroad?

I think the tax base will have to be broadened to make the revenues the loony left want to implement. Paying 50% tax on income over £30k and a mansion tax on homes over £200k anyone? It may seem outlandish, but these amounts are more than the national averages and so people in these categories are privileged, right?

 

[Faustus]

Not really. Because they are not protests about policy based decisions directly effecting our country.

Blair is despised nationwide whose opinion only matters amongst blairites, Saud fears the loss of business, the IDF I doubt give a second thought, never mind fear him and have no ability to influence the UK.

So a man that took Labour to three election victories is despised Nationwide you say - despised by who? Radical left wing party activists in an alliance with a hostile press.

I would rate him as one of the best PM's since Churchill and I suspect history will be more kind to him than is apparent presently.

You would think to listen to the anti-Iraq war brigade that Saddam was a benevolent uncle not a despot who exterminated his own people.

 

[Faustus]

I think the only good thing to come out of yesterdays election is that come next polling day Labour will get such a serious kicking/reality check from the electorate they will have to come to their senses. Either that or become a fringe party.

Our pet dog has more chance of getting elected than Corbyn.

 

[Von Smallhausen]

The scariest one I've seen is Diane Abbott as Shadow Home Secretary.

I'm just waiting for suggesting that racism cost her the job. She seems to like playing that card.

Also, I hope Mr Corbyn's jacket's are kevlar lined as there are knives being sharpened already and Ms Cooper, whose play on the elf like lovable working mother makes me cringe, will be one of the first ones to line up.

 

[Nutella33]

So a man that took Labour to three election victories is despised Nationwide you say - despised by who? Radical left wing party activists in an alliance with a hostile press.

Are you forgetting he was forced from office midterm due to just how unpopular he became?
Do you think people listened to him in the recent debate? The common theme was every word he said lost the blarites points.
How do you think his popularity has increased given his utter failure as peace envoy and his milking of middle Eastern regimes for cash as an advisor?

He is only admired by blarites as I said, and they have been destroyed this week. The right doesn't like him, his own party doesn't. He is toxic.

I would rate him as one of the best PM's since Churchill and I suspect history will be more kind to him than is apparent presently.

You would think to listen to the anti-Iraq war brigade that Saddam was a benevolent uncle not a despot who exterminated his own people.

That is hilarious. You are Euan Blair and I claim my 5 pounds

You don't have to be the antiwar brigade to acknowledge his foreign policy was a disaster, for the world and the UK. Not simply in regard to the wars but his actions in the EU and overseas territories.

 

[Destination]

So a man that took Labour to three election victories is despised Nationwide you say - despised by who? Radical left wing party activists in an alliance with a hostile press.

I would rate him as one of the best PM's since Churchill and I suspect history will be more kind to him than is apparent presently.

You would think to listen to the anti-Iraq war brigade that Saddam was a benevolent uncle not a despot who exterminated his own people.

In what ways would you say the iraqic people have benefitted currently fom our actions?
In what timescale do you think they might move into positive benefit? How many years?

 

[antijoke]

Will be interesting to see the next five years play out.

 

[Cosimo]

Will be interesting to see the next five years play out.

It's not going to be a smooth ride.

 

[Dimi]

Certainly not, the nation has a choice finally though.

Nobody can accuse him of not being different.

 

[MichaelAwkward]

So that's 1% of the working population. How much more do you think can be squeezed out of this small group of highly skilled people, considering they already pay 45% income tax before they up sticks and move abroad?

Everyone says this but it's never actually happened, anywhere. Certainly didn't happen when France did it most recently.

This "small group of highly skilled people" didn't up sticks and move abroad when they used to pay between 83%-99.25% income tax before Thatcher.

 

[Faustus]

Are you forgetting he was forced from office midterm due to just how unpopular he became?
Do you think people listened to him in the recent debate? The common theme was every word he said lost the blarites points.
How do you think his popularity has increased given his utter failure as peace envoy and his milking of middle Eastern regimes for cash as an advisor?

He is only admired by blarites as I said, and they have been destroyed this week. The right doesn't like him, his own party doesn't. He is toxic.



That is hilarious. You are Euan Blair and I claim my 5 pounds

You don't have to be the antiwar brigade to acknowledge his foreign policy was a disaster, for the world and the UK. Not simply in regard to the wars but his actions in the EU and overseas territories.

Hmm! the way I remember it is Gordon Brown with the aid of people like Ed Balls and Ed Milliband spent years briefing against him. I don't remember the electorate forcing him from office at all. You read to many Daily Wail editorials.

He may be admired by his own supporters but you have failed to acknowledge the electorate also elected him as our PM three times. Most successful Labour leader ever.

You have also failed to address the fact that Saddam was a despot and the world was better for having removed him. The mistakes in Iraq was the fact the U.S. only planned for war but failed to plan for peace.

If you read the brief of the Middle East PE then you would quickly realise why there was never going to be a settlement from that quarter.

You come across as idealistic but sadly ill informed - sorry.

 

[MichaelAwkward]

He may be admired by his own supporters but you have failed to acknowledge the electorate also elected him as our PM three times. Most successful Labour leader ever.

You can't look at that achievement out of context though. There was basically no alternative for two of those three elections. It also happened to coincide with an economic boom which Blair was all to happy to take credit for.

You have also failed to address the fact that Saddam was a despot and the world was better for having removed him. The mistakes in Iraq was the fact the U.S. only planned for war but failed to plan for peace.

Lots of leaders are despots. Many, like Saddam, were and are kept in power as a result of US and Western diplomacy and support.

The invasion of Iraq was illegal, led to the deaths of million of innocent people and left the Middle East in an even worse state than before. Anyone who still thinks it was a good idea, because it got rid of Saddam, is an idiot.

 

[Faustus]

In what ways would you say the iraqic people have benefitted currently fom our actions?
In what timescale do you think they might move into positive benefit? How many years?

Do you say they were better served being exterminated by their own leader - just so we are sure where you're coming from?

I have said in post 1761 the real failure was not in removing Saddam but failing to plan for peace. They have also been badly blown of course by events in other middle eastern countries.

The issue is far more complex than your simplistic view of things.

 

[Third Opinion]

I must admit the new Labour leader has given me the first thing to laugh about with politics in years.

I also reckon it is going to be a gift that keeps on giving in terms of laughter. The shear number of Labour resignations shows what turmoil the party is now in.