The labour Leader thread...

Any chance of Labour splitting into two parties? Labour under Corbyn, and a new middle-right party, maybe the Conservabours?
 
LeeUK said:
I heard it was something like 40% from proper members.
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The figures were in the post you quoted! He didn't quite get a majority on round one but he did well over double any one else's vote tally and there's very little doubt he would have won on Member's alone.
 
I'm interested to see how swing voters & the middle ground go over the next few years, what the rabid far right on here think is of little interest (they wouldn't vote for anybody left of Mussolini).
 
elmarko said:
I'm interested to see how swing voters & the middle ground go over the next few years, what the rabid far right on here think is of little interest (they wouldn't vote for anybody left of Mussolini).
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There are plenty of Corbyn's views I really could not get behind. His attitude towards Northern Ireland and the Falklands show a flagrant disregard for self determination. I also couldn't support his stance on NATO and defence in general. His economic views are also troubling, the people's quantative easing isn't great and I have no idea how he is going to afford renationalising rail, power and PFI, the maximum wage idea could also be disastrous. His education policy is also quite worrying, a Natinal Education Service modelled on the NHS? Back to centralised education and giving control back to lacklustre Local Education Authorities is a horrible idea.

It will be interesting to see what policies come out of it, but he certainly isn't the sort of politician I could get behind. I have no idea what the general public will get behind but there wasn't the groundswell of support for the Greens last election so I am not too sure there will be much appetite for Corbyn's brand of Labour.
 
LeeUK said:
Corbyn won because of Tories and hard lefties using the £3 vote option. Most bonafide members (like me) did not vote for him.
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"With 554,272 eligible voters and 422,664 votes cast, Corbyn won 251,417, or 59.5%. He received the votes of 121,751 members, 88,449 registered supporters and 41,217 affiliated supporters. Nearly 87% of the new £3 registered supporters voted for Corbyn and just under 50% of all party members.

Andy Burnham’s overall vote count was 80,462 or 19%, Cooper’s was 71,928 or 17%; and Kendall’s was 18,857 or 4.5%."

Legitimacy really isn't a question here. You may not be happy with the result, but in all categories Jeremy Corbyn smashed it. Even restricting the vote to members only it would seem unlikely that Corbyn wouldn't pick up enough second or third choices to get over the line (baring in mind it wouldn't take many).
 
glen8 said:
The thing with Corbyn, is that he's different....and a lot of people are scared of that
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Or they don't like his ideas?

Sure he is a conviction politician but that isn't always a brilliant idea as history has told us, right or left wing!
 
Yeah, Corbyns different blah, blah, blah.

No he isn't , he just lives in one partial part of political wonderland.

I will be very surprised if he ends up with any power at all anyway.
 
Slam62 said:
Yeah, Corbyns different blah, blah, blah.

No he isn't , he just lives in one partial part of political wonderland.

I will be very surprised if he ends up with any power at all anyway.
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No less surprised than him making leader eh :D
 
Faustus said:
So a man that took Labour to three election victories is despised Nationwide you say - despised by who? Radical left wing party activists in an alliance with a hostile press.

I would rate him as one of the best PM's since Churchill and I suspect history will be more kind to him than is apparent presently.

You would think to listen to the anti-Iraq war brigade that Saddam was a benevolent uncle not a despot who exterminated his own people.
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You don't have to listen to the anti Iraq war brigade. You just have to look at the crap hole of a mess we have now lol
 
Tunney said:
I thought that David Cameron's tweet was very undignified. Party politics at its worst.
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I thought this, even though I don't like Carbyns policies.
But then I hate party politics full stop, and which we would change to a better system where you can't turn down experts and experts have to be experts in that field. Not hire some **** who has not got a clue.

I'm not so sure on the scared part though, the public isn't left or at least hasn't been for a couple of decades. So don't see why a majority would switch back that way. Think it's more just party politics descript them and Corbyn will do the same back, it's one big jerk circle.
 
At the risk of being ageist, won't he realisitcally be too old to be PM if Labour win the next general election?

See how bad Blair (44) and Cameron (43) aged since becoming PM, Corbyn will be 71 for christ's sake. It's human nature to start slowing down at this age it's not the age to take on the most important job in the country. If he see's out a term he'll be 76....
 
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