The labour Leader thread...

[The_Abyss]

What has the ability to vote regardless of age got to do with running a country of over 60 million people. I doubt most people of 70 or over could fly a jet fighter either but could still vote.

Your reply is a mishmash of incoherent ill thought out babble.

I'll make it easier for you. Your answer to the below is less than 71.

What do you consider the maximum competent age for Prime Minister or leader of the Opposition?

 

[Mr Jack]

Big mistake appointing McDonnell over Eagles as chancellor, that quote alone will haunt him and it makes uniting the party so much more difficult.

 

[Tunney]

Wow, this shadow cabinet is a sausage fest.

 

[Dimi]

Big mistake appointing McDonnell over Eagles as chancellor, that quote alone will haunt him and it makes uniting the party so much more difficult.

He had to appoint McDonnell as the Chancellor, he has a anti-austerity agenda he needs to back up and McDonnell being his closest ally proves that.

 

[silversurfer]

Even a prime minster doesnt get to set the agenda

 

[Scrutinize]

Saw this today whilst queuing in the co-op, (screen grab image though as didn't take snap) media and public perception place JC firmly left. That's where he is, that's where perceptions will stay.

 

[elmarko]

Actually I think Corbyn is the Tories secret weapon.

Let's be honest, he is making the Conservatives look a more attractive proposition by the hour.

To people who would have only voted Conservative anyway.

Saw this today whilst queuing in the co-op, (screen grab image though as didn't take snap) media and public perception place JC firmly left. That's where he is, that's where perceptions will stay.

To be fair, even Ed Miliband was painted as hard left when he was middle right, they've used the term so much it's like Fox news calling Obama a socialist.

 

[spudbynight]

McDonnell also said he wanted to go "back to the 80s and assassinate Thatcher "

 

[PermaBanned]

Corbyn, with his questionable comments regarding terrorists and terrorist organisations has just appointed a man who said this as Shadow Chancellor.

He also said this:

On all sides we have to start telling each other some hard truths. Painful, even dangerous it may be, but avoiding this massive leap in conflict resolution would mean that even if we can get past the current impasse we would only be back here again in another few months.

This is the type of hard talk I engaged in when I spoke at a commemoration of the hunger striker Bobby Sands last week. Talking in terms republicans would understand, I told the harsh truth that the negotiations on the future of Northern Ireland would not be taking place if it had not been for the military action of the IRA. Let me be clear, I abhor the killing of innocent human beings. My argument was that republicans had the right to honour those who had brought about this process of negotiation which had led to peace. Having achieved this central objective now it was time to move on. The future for achieving the nationalists' goals is through the political process and in particular through the Northern Ireland assembly elections.

The leadership of Tony Blair has undoubtedly produced advances. But the tragedy at present is that the peace process is being jeopardised by the government's suspension of the political process - in the form of the Northern Ireland assembly elections. This leads to a dangerous vacuum. Therefore I see my task now as doing all I can to get the political show back on the road, to create the kinds of formulations through which the IRA, the loyalist paramilitaries and the British army can all depart the scene without a sense of abiding grievance. No side will move if movement is portrayed as humiliating surrender.

Among British people there has to be an acceptance that the violence of the past 35 years had a root cause. It wasn't some pathological trait of the Irish. Britain faced such violence in virtually every colony from which it was forced to withdraw, from the Mau Mau in Kenya to the nationalists in India. We have to face up to the fact that without the armed uprising in 1916 Britain would not have withdrawn from southern Ireland. And without the armed struggle of the IRA over the past 30 years, the Good Friday agreement would not have acknowledged the legitimacy of the aspirations of many Irish people for a united Ireland. And without that acknowledgment we would have no peace process.

Irish republicans have to face the fact that the use of violence has resulted in unforgivable atrocities. No cause is worth the loss of a child's life. No amount of political theory will justify what has been perpetrated on the victims of the bombing campaigns. An acknowledgment is also needed that loyalist paramilitaries were motivated by the same dedication to their cause as IRA volunteers and that many British troops demonstrated similar bravery in what was in reality a long and brutal war. Above all else, republicans need to accept that the time for violence has gone. Only the political process offers the real prospect of a united Ireland at peace with itself.

But yes, let's just ignore all the complex discussion on incredibly intricate issues and instead focus on cheap soundbites specifically chosen for people to form an emotional reaction to.

 

[Danthus]

I wasn't ignoring it, I think I am correct in saying that is a Guardian article.

You missed the point, we are talking about a narrative that is going to be given, the nation is not secure with Corbyn, he classes terrorists of friends etc etc. His own words will be used to firm up that narrative, pictures of him having cups of tea with people who are regarded as terrorists.

Then he appoints a man who said the above.

 

[elmarko]

I wasn't ignoring it, I think I am correct in saying that is a Guardian article.

You missed the point, we are talking about a narrative that is going to be given, the nation is not secure with Corbyn, he classes terrorists of friends etc etc. His own words will be used to firm up that narrative, pictures of him having cups of tea with people who are regarded as terrorists.

Then he appoints a man who said the above.

Do you admit the narrative is false & a gross misrepresentation?.

There are as many pictures of Cameron with the king of Saudi Arabia & many other undesirables, a nation guilty of funding & exporting terrorism to the west & one with one of the worst human rights records in the world. The difference being Corybn is attempting to create peace by promoting a dialogue with people his disagrees with - Cameron is snuggling up to dictators who he directly supports.

 

[Dimi]

I wasn't ignoring it, I think I am correct in saying that is a Guardian article.

You missed the point, we are talking about a narrative that is going to be given, the nation is not secure with Corbyn, he classes terrorists of friends etc etc. His own words will be used to firm up that narrative, pictures of him having cups of tea with people who are regarded as terrorists.

Then he appoints a man who said the above.

Like the lot in power who are arming dictatorships? We don't hear about that in the media do we. I wonder why

I don't know what's more of a security threat, talking to people for peace or arming them to the teeth.

Maybe you'll be able to tell me.

 

[Ireheart]

Conservatives care about big business and the super rich, labour care about big business and the imported voter base of millions of islamic immigrants over the last 30 years.

The only party that cares about the British and the working class are UKIP which are in effect, the true old labour.

 

[elmarko]

Conservatives care about big business and the super rich, labour care about big business and the imported voter base of millions of islamic immigrants over the last 30 years.

The only party that cares about the British and the working class are UKIP which are in effect, the true old labour.

Who were you before btw?, you sound like a returnee.

 

[dunker]

i dunno, a Nige and Jezza coilition might be something?

 

[Tefal]

I never even mentioned compensation, and wasn't discussing it.

he did, and its relevant because Corby wanted to do it without compensation.

that was what he was talking about causing the problem, you then went on a random rant about bt/public private performance competently ignoring that it doesn't matter if nationalising them turned therm into 100% perfect services over night you'd have done massive long lasting damage to the country.

 

[Cosimo]

John McDonnell has been appointed Shadow Chancellor.

Tax, tax and more tax. The only way to spend is up...

 

[RDM]

To people who would have only voted Conservative anyway.

You keep saying this despite the fact that many centre left labour voters have also said they couldn't vote for Corbyn.

 

[atpbx]

Prey tell how will he do that? We have a right wing press in this country, one only needs to look at the way they rounded on 'Red Ed'.

The media will dissect Corbyn piece by piece. The Labour activists have condemned working people to another decade of Toryism simply in order to massage their own bruised egos following the election defeat.

My wife and I are working people.

I don't want Corbyn, or labour of any flavour running the country.

Lots and lots of "working people" don't feel like they are condemned to live with a Tory government, they want it and feel lucky to have it.

 

[Naff8000]

BBC:
A prominent rebel, he recently declared he would "swim through vomit" to vote against benefit cuts and faced criticism for telling a union event that he would "like to go back to the 1980s and assassinate Thatcher".

There is no way Corbyn isn't a secret agent for the Tories.