Alex Salmond: A second Scottish referendum is inevitible

Dis86 · 23 Sep 2015 at 22:41

lovelyhead said:
Lol. The only folk throwing their toys out of the pram are the unionists screeching "but but but you can only have a referendum once in a generation waaaaaaaaa!"

We can smell blood!

Pretty sure it was Salmond who said it was a once in a generation thing...

oh look...source

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...cottish-independence-referendum-10500405.html

lovelyhead · 23 Sep 2015 at 23:05

Dis86 said:
Pretty sure it was Salmond who said it was a once in a generation thing...

oh look...source

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...cottish-independence-referendum-10500405.html

Lets put this bullcrap to bed once and for all.

Alex Salmond (praise be upon him) made it absolutely clear that it was only his opinion that it should be a once in a generation referendum.

Although he is an absolute legend, his opinion is not binding!

Keep pushing that unionist propaganda though!

Dis86 · 23 Sep 2015 at 23:10

lovelyhead said:
Lets put this bullcrap to bed once and for all.

Alex Salmond (praise be upon him) made it absolutely clear that it was only his opinion that it should be a once in a generation referendum.

Although he is an absolute legend, his opinion is not binding!

Keep pushing that unionist propaganda though!

No. Let's make it clear. The leader of the original yes campaign was the one who came up with the idea.

The first minister. The macdaddy. The loser.

It was your propaganda. You lost. Now you're trying to spin it.

Woden · 23 Sep 2015 at 23:13

Once a generation ... If we win.

lovelyhead · 23 Sep 2015 at 23:14

Dis86 said:
No. Let's make it clear. The leader of the original yes campaign was the one who came up with the idea.

The first minister. The macdaddy. The loser.

It was your propaganda. You lost. Now you're trying to spin it.

Are you trying to make some sort of point because your post just reads as gibberish to me.

It was only his opinion. He made that point very clear. That is the truth of the matter. That is what he actually said. For real.

Woden said:
Once a generation ... If we win.

No. He said it was his view that it would be a once in a generation referendum whether it was YES or NO. But he emphasized it was only his opinion.

You know it is the truth but keep on pushing the propaganda.

Dis86 · 23 Sep 2015 at 23:23

lovelyhead said:
No. He said it was his view that it would be a once in a generation referendum whether it was YES or NO. But he emphasized it was only his opinion.

You know it is the truth but keep on pushing the propaganda.

Source

lovelyhead · 23 Sep 2015 at 23:39

Dis86 said:
Source

Here you go. Straight from the man himself.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29196661

I won't hold my breath for an apology.

Woden · 23 Sep 2015 at 23:41

The truth I know is that Scotland voted to tension in the union, and many, like yourself, can't accept that.

The_Abyss · 23 Sep 2015 at 23:45

lovelyhead said:
No. He said it was his view that it would be a once in a generation referendum whether it was YES or NO. But he emphasized it was only his opinion.

You know it is the truth but keep on pushing the propaganda.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29196661

"SNP leader Alex Salmond has said the Scottish referendum is a "once in a generation opportunity". He said that a simple majority, however close, would be accepted by both sides in the campaign and there would be a "generational" gap before another independence referendum."

"You've talked in the past about it being for a generation, is that still your view?"

"Yes, it is"

Video available for those unable to read.

lovelyhead · 23 Sep 2015 at 23:50

Woden said:
The truth I know is that Scotland voted to tension in the union, and many, like yourself, can't accept that.

Stop repeating the same tired old crap. I have accepted the result but that doesn't preclude me from wanting another referendum.

The_Abyss said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29196661

"SNP leader Alex Salmond has said the Scottish referendum is a "once in a generation opportunity". He said that a simple majority, however close, would be accepted by both sides in the campaign and there would be a "generational" gap before another independence referendum."

"You've talked in the past about it being for a generation, is that still your view?"

"Yes, it is"

Video available for those unable to read.

Did you watch the video that both you and I posted?

If you did you would know that Alex Salmond (praise be upon him) strongly emphasizes that it is only his opinion. Only. His. Personal. Opinion.

The_Abyss · 24 Sep 2015 at 00:02

lovelyhead said:
Did you watch the video that both you and I posted?

If you did you would know that Alex Salmond (praise be upon him) strongly emphasizes that it is only his opinion. Only. His. Personal. Opinion.

Yes, I did watch the whole video. All previous questions were answered on behalf of the party. Only at the end did he dodge and make it personal, doubtless thinking of his impending resignation in the event of defeat.

cyclops12 · 24 Sep 2015 at 00:09

lovelyhead said:
Did you watch the video that both you and I posted?

If you did you would know that Alex Salmond (praise be upon him) strongly emphasizes that it is only his opinion. Only. His. Personal. Opinion.

If it was ONLY his personal opinion then why did Sturgeon keep saying the same thing?

And yet again why was those exact words used on page one of the SNP manifesto "Scotland's Future"?

If we vote No, Scotland stands still. A once in a generation opportunity to follow a different path, and choose a new and better direction for our nation is lost.

Woden · 24 Sep 2015 at 00:12

lovelyhead said:
Stop repeating the same tired old crap. I have accepted the result but that doesn't preclude me from wanting another referendum.

You accept the result, but want a do over. Yea, that makes sense. Honest.

Would you be pushing for a d over so much if Scotland voted to leave?

lovelyhead · 24 Sep 2015 at 00:16

The_Abyss said:
Yes, I did watch the whole video. All previous questions were answered on behalf of the party. Only at the end did he dodge and make it personal, doubtless thinking of his impending resignation in the event of defeat.

What a load of pish.

10 out of 10 for trying though.

For those unionist's who can read but maybe have selective hearing, here is a transcript of what Alex Salmond (praise be upon him) actually said in the linked video. These were the exact words that came out of his mouth. The exact words.

"in my opinion, and it is just my opinion then this is a once in a generation opportunity for Scotland."

"well that is my view, my view, this is a once in a generation perhaps even a once in a life time opportunity for Scotland."

If you cannot accept that this "once in a generation" bullcrap that the unionist media love to put out and you unionst's lap up, is only one mans opinion and nothing more and is in no way binding, then you have some serious issues and maybe you should seek some sort of phsycological help!

Woden said:
You accept the result, but want a do over. Yea, that makes sense. Honest.

Would you be pushing for a d over so much if Scotland voted to leave?

I certainly wouldn't be pushing for one obviously but at the same time I wouldn't blame the unionists if they did. They would have a real hard time of it though. What with them needing to elect a unionist party with a majority at Holyrood who held a manifesto commitment to hold another referendum.

If by some miracle that were to happen then I would say that another referendum was completely fair and democratic.

Unlike the unionists here I have no issue with a fair democratic process.

(3. 2. 1. here come the numbskulls with their "you obviously don't believe in democracy as you can't accept the referendum result last time duh....)

cyclops12 said:
If it was ONLY his personal opinion then why did Sturgeon keep saying the same thing?

And yet again why was those exact words used on page one of the SNP manifesto "Scotland's Future"?

If we vote No, Scotland stands still. A once in a generation opportunity to follow a different path, and choose a new and better direction for our nation is lost.

Ah yes that quote was from a summary of the Scotland's Future book.

Again, an opinion piece which is in no way legally binding on the people of Scotland.

The_Abyss · 24 Sep 2015 at 00:28

"We're not aiming to win by one vote"

"We're aiming to achieve a substantial majority"

"We'll have the referendum, it will be decided by a single majority, both sides will accept the result"

If it helps, the above was spoken by the leader of the SNP.

lovelyhead · 24 Sep 2015 at 00:34

The_Abyss said:
"We're not aiming to win by one vote"

"We're aiming to achieve a substantial majority"

"We'll have the referendum, it will be decided by a single majority, both sides will accept the result"

If it helps, the above was spoken by the leader of the SNP.

OK what's your point?

The_Abyss · 24 Sep 2015 at 00:35

lovelyhead said:
If you cannot accept that this "once in a generation" bullcrap that the unionist media love to put out and you unionst's lap up, is only one mans opinion and nothing more and is in no way binding, then you have some serious issues and maybe you should seek some sort of phsycological help!

I expected a little more commitment from the leader of the SNP, speaking on behalf of his party and on behalf of the nationalist movement. I expected him to represent their views and desires consistently, not only when it was convenient.

If it is such nonsense then why did he keep talking about it?

The_Abyss · 24 Sep 2015 at 00:36

lovelyhead said:
OK what's your point?

that he was speaking on behalf of the party (and failing to speak on behalf of the majority of Scotland), a point you refuse to acknowledge.

cyclops12 · 24 Sep 2015 at 00:38

lovelyhead said:
Ah yes that quote was from a summary of the Scotland's Future book.

Again, an opinion piece which is in no way legally binding on the people of Scotland.

But you keep saying "it's one mans opinion ". It's clearly not.

That quote is from page one of the white paper, so it's an opinion piece now?

And who has said what the SNP promised was legally binding?

lovelyhead · 24 Sep 2015 at 00:39

The_Abyss said:
I expected a little more commitment from the leader of the SNP, speaking on behalf of his party and on behalf of the nationalist movement. I expected him to represent their views and desires consistently, not only when it was convenient.

If it is such nonsense then why did he keep talking about it?

What are you talking about? He was absolutely clear that the once in a generation thing was only his opinion.

It could even have been an official SNP statement but that still would not be legally binding on the people of Scotland. There is no legal document that states we can not hold another referendum if the people demand it. It does not exist. If the people demand it then that is what will happen.