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In a rare show of support for him, I don't think he's actually denying this point.
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In a rare show of support for him, I don't think he's actually denying this point.
Perhaps but then that is the fault of the benefits system, it encourages laziness and in my opinion is affecting all youth of all colour and religion. Nothing to do with there beliefs.
But I tell you what, I've been to Pakistan and when you see the poverty, lack of education, electricity shortages you really feel how lucky you are to have everything we have here.
I would hope those who come here do so aswell.
I realised it would appear like I was accusing him of the same attitude others have displayed. I thought the genuine question bit would cover it. I'm just interested in his opinion and I've edited to hopefully make that clear. Sorry if it sounded too direct
It's decreasing a lot even in Pakistan. And part of the reason is what you just said plus the rise of mobile phones.
Just a increase in reporting. I heard a story where a girl was married of at ten but never consummated till womanhood.
That was not startling 60 years ago now it would be surprising even to villagers.
Regarding somalians I see allot of hatred towards them from there fellow Muslims, complaints from they don't work to they're dirty. Casual racism tbh the ones I have known all worked. But they have a problem getting jobs don't know why.
Should prioritise families or women with kids or the weak. A mammoth task to do properly. One of my concerns for letting single young men in is the chance of lone wolf's..
Strange in my immediate family it's stopped, in all my related extended families it has stopped with a few exceptions.
The rise in cases could be due to the last generation or the few who are still doing it.
But mentality has changed allot in this issue.
supposedly its the keeping the wealth in the family tradition. which still seems to be a big thing for families with ties to Pakistan still.
Bradford has an incidence rate about 4-5 times higher than normal for genetic conditions due to blood relation history.
Never been to Bradford but I can't see them being too much different from Birmingham.
People are realising that there kids were brought up and live here and there kids will be the same. No one has the intention to live in Pakistan. Visit perhaps, live and settle hell no.
So pleasing that cousin or brother so his son or daughter can come here and enjoy England is stopping big time. Laws have changed allot in this issue too.
It's 2015 we live in a society where the sexes freely mix there is no stopping that. No one wants to marry some one from back yard and deal with the expenses, the.partners family, the partner getting used to the culture etc.
I am sorry, but i have to but in at that remark, Islam preaches that you put Allah before anything and everything. So religion has everything to do with it.
Do you put Allah above anything and everything? If you are a practicing Muslim that is. I have not read the remainder of this thread yet but you do seem to evade some valid questions\points that others have pointed out.
EDIT: I have got to the end of the thread and you have answered some of the points raised, thank you.
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You never answered my question as to whether or not you considered yourself integrated. Never mind answered myself further down.
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yep definitely can see why its the British peoples fault that these people don't integrate
i mean look at them they're trying their best, using English and everything.
Jeebaz the Fantastic 4 was terrible I don't know why they would be promoting that.
This is just paranoia - the only time the media bring someone's religion into a story is if it's key to the motive e.g. it's perfectly valid to say that Lee Rigby's murderers were Muslims with a jihad motive. If it's an "ordinary" murder (ugh - I hate myself for writing that) e.g. over drugs then the media will likely describe the perpetrators as "an Asian gang". I'm not suggesting for any moment that Asian gangs are the only drug dealers in the UK, or that they're more likely or less likely than any other drug gang to commit murder.
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Just catching up on the thread. This is B&W's best post I have read so far. I can support this. Scum is scum regardless of ethnicity or religion.
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Don't bother responding having fully caught up on the thread I believe that you are. You sound very progressive from your later posts.
He's going to have to deal with the fact Islam currently has the biggest world problems and is in constant turmoil.
To be honest, I would be far happier if I didn't have to hear about it everyday constantl. All religion bores me to tears, how's about just living a decent life instead of worshipping some supposed weirdo who created an entire universe for the sole aim of being worshipped for eternity.
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So does Christianity, right back to the First Commandment. Yet somehow people work around it. And so do most Muslims. Using religion to justify evil things you fancied doing is not the same thing as religion demanding that you do it. Which is why the vast majority of Muslims are generally law-abiding, like the vast majority of every religion.
There's enough caveats in all religious texts to enable the justification of anything.
Yes, it's a genuine question.
What would be your response to muslim scholars, such as this one:
http://islamqa.info/en/20327
...who are using the quran (etc) to advocate executing ex-muslims? The verses they are using don't seem to be ambiguous.
How many other religions could you find where anyone seriously supported that idea? You said you even know someone (a muslim) who supports death for ex-muslims. I'm guessing this person lives here in Britain?
Fair enough, but i am talking about in this day of age, do we see wall to wall evidence or coverage of mass murder, terrorism etc etc all done in the name of a god or a higher being from any other religion these days? Yes there are some but nothing on the scale of the religion of peace that is Islam.
If it really was only a very small portion of Muslims like you say then we wouldn't see so many atrocities being carried out would we? Because we don't see wall to wall murders etc from small minorities of other religions do we? for example, the minority of Christians who do unspeakable things to others in the name of Christianity, show me the wall to wall coverage of their atrocities please?
I don't accept that when you say it is only a small minority of Muslims who cause such violence because other small minorities of people from a different religion don't carry out the same kind of atrocities to the same level or frequency otherwise it would be all over the media etc like the violence we see from Muslim terrorists.
I agree that a lot of Muslims do not carry out such violence but i do think they sympathise with the one's who do, especially if the violence is against the west.
Saudi leaders said the Hajj incidents in the past month was Allah's will and done in his name, so whatever comes out of the investigation if there is one will be lies because at the end of the day it was Allah's will and Allah is above everything and anything, do so called "moderate" Muslims think that also? it has been said in this thread before, Muslims cannot even get along within their own religion, so how do they feel about other people of a different religion or belief?
There are a lot of people out there who feel like this culture is being forced on them but they are shunned as racists or bigots if they speak out about the whole issue.
I am all for helping the genuine refugees but the masses of men that are heading to the EU is ridiculous, we should only take the most vulnerable people, women, children, disabled and elderly, not masses of people who will have among them people who want to and will do harm in the name off Allah.
There is a reason why a lot of Muslims do not integrate, and that is because they follow Islam and are not to tolerate any other religion or the non religious.
In my opinion if i stood outside a church and protested peacefully that there is no god i would probably get some funny looks or verbal abuse, if i did the same outside a mosque i think i would be in for a severe kicking or worse.
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