And many of the people who voted SNP don't want independence, otherwise they would have voted for independence and not say a very big, clear black and white, NO!
Alex Salmond: A second Scottish referendum is inevitible
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And many of the people who voted SNP don't want independence, otherwise they would have voted for independence and not say a very big, clear black and white, NO!
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You can't lump the 15% didn't votes into either camp. Maybe they just couldn't decide which option was best so didn't vote. Or maybe they liked the sound of independence but were too scared to vote YES but at the same time didn't want to vote NO.
You see I too can spin those 15% of non voters to favor the YES camp. Of course it is completely speculation and can't be proved one way or another and that is why the only numbers that matter are the people who did actually vote.
I wouldn't describe a 10% victory as a very big NO. If it were a decisive victory the independence movement would probably have crumbled and melted away. That hasn't happened.
Very, very poor quality bait there.
No, because even assuming for a minute that 45% of the 85% turnout = 50%, most Scottish people, even pro-SNP nationalists are nothing like you. They are mostly well reasoned, and capable of intelligent discussion/debate, they don't simply brand anyone who doesn't agree with them as anti-Scottish unionists and dismiss any information they don't like as anti SNP.
In that regard the majority of the people of Scotland, even pro-independence SNP voters are nothing like you. On the plus side however, Alex Salmond is so that should make you happy
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No, because even assuming for a minute that 45% of the 85% turnout = 50%, most Scottish people, even pro-SNP nationalists are nothing like you. They are mostly well reasoned, and capable of intelligent discussion/debate, they don't simply brand anyone who doesn't agree with them as anti-Scottish unionists and dismiss any information they don't like as anti SNP.
In that regard the majority of the people of Scotland, even pro-independence SNP voters are nothing like you. On the plus side however, Alex Salmond is so that should make you happy
Lovely.
Bait for what?
Nearly 62% of your lifetime posts have been in this thread. What will you spend your time whining about if Scotland ever gets independence?
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Only those with extremely limited arithmetic skills would fall for that line of reasoning. If every single person in Scotland had voted Labour we would STILL have a tory majority.
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If the Scottish people want independence then let them have it.
There will likely be another vote, but let us be frank here, the reality is that nobody knows what would happen for certain if Scotland voted for independance. It is mostly conjecture, if, but, maybe, perhaps. Very little is solid fact and that is in part down to the unprecedented nature of the event. With so much at stake, with so many unknowns a social experiment of this scale could be viewed as revolutionary, or conversely, incredibly foolish and damaging to Scotland.
If in the future the Scottish people vote in favour of independence I have a feeling (just my opinion you understand) that things would not go well for Scotland. But I also believe people should sleep in the beds they have made for themselves and live with the consequences of their decisions.
As with all things, I guess time will tell and history will remember who was right.
There will likely be another vote, but let us be frank here, the reality is that nobody knows what would happen for certain if Scotland voted for independance. It is mostly conjecture, if, but, maybe, perhaps. Very little is solid fact and that is in part down to the unprecedented nature of the event. With so much at stake, with so many unknowns a social experiment of this scale could be viewed as revolutionary, or conversely, incredibly foolish and damaging to Scotland.
If in the future the Scottish people vote in favour of independence I have a feeling (just my opinion you understand) that things would not go well for Scotland. But I also believe people should sleep in the beds they have made for themselves and live with the consequences of their decisions.
As with all things, I guess time will tell and history will remember who was right.
Blaming any of a potential myriad ills that might beset a newly independent Scotland on Westminster? Just like Salmond and Sturgeon.
People "sleeping in the beds they make for themselves" is one of my concerns should independence have occured; how long does money continue to head north of the border, making up the vast shortfall that would have occurred given the reliance on - as has been proven since - disastrously inaccurate oil price predictions?
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That it's Englands fault it's all gone wrong
A simplistic way of looking at it, ignoring that a lot of the seats the Torys gained in England/Wales were due to people fear of Ed Miliband propped up by Sturgeon. Labour actually gained seats in England despite this, but without the SNP surge they would have gained even more plus their Scottish seats and the Tories would have lost seats resulting in a LabLib coalition government.
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You forget that Scotland is a net provider to the UK economy, even without the oil.
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Technically, it wouldn't be the rUK's problem would it? Of course there would be a period of change over, but essentially if Scotland want independance, let them have it, inclusive of the good and bad parts.
Obviously make people aware of what the risks/benefits could be and let them make their own minds up. On this occasion they decided to stay in the union, on the next they may not.
Given the limited information available, Scotland would probably dig a hole it wouldn't be able to climb out of for 50 years. But I suppose what is 50 years in the life of a nation?
As said previously, that is very simplistic. There were no doubts lost labour votes in Englamd due to the SNP line of propping up Milliband by holding him hostage.
It really didn't matter to the SNP who won in the last election, although I do suspect they are quite happy with the way things went. If they held any real power in Westminster, by propping up Milliband for example, they would then have to take responsibility for their failings. As it stands, they can blame the Tories, and keep the hatred levels high towards them.
While Miss Sturgeon may not have actually said she would prefer a Tory government, as was the rumour at the time, I don't doubt for a second it wasn't actually true.
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http://wingsoverscotland.com/once-more-for-the-folks-at-home/#more-76341
Follow up to yesterday's article exposing the unionist media's lies.
Follow up to yesterday's article exposing the unionist media's lies.
I don't forget that Salmonds budget predictions were fatuously based on the Oil price. Where's the sovereign oil fund coming from now?
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So are you saying we should give up on Independence because the oil price isn't as good as it has been?
i think he is saying the economic case supporting independence put forward by the SNP, prior to the referendum they lost, has been shown to be complete nonsense.
Quite so, I didn't think I'd encrypted my meaning that well.
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I know what he is saying. But that is in the past now.
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You didn't but the band of 3 in denial have to keep this going even though the result is not in question.
I realise I've bumped this so would politely request - as several have already - that it's left to rot for at least a generation, as promised.
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