Microsoft Launch Event - 6/10 @ 15:00 BST

I'd say that the Surface Book has over shadowed the Surface Pro 4. I've canceled my Lafité II order lol.

All I want to see now is the UK pricing!
 
Ok uk prices are up, or base model anyway

Surface Pro 4

128gb Core m 4gb $899 £749
128gg i5 4gg $999
256gb i5 8gb $1299
256gb i5 16gb $1499
 
Glaucus said:
In the presentation it was all a bit odd, he said finger print reader was basically for sp3 users, as sp4 uses facial recognition.
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I was considering just buying a cover to upgrade my Pro 3 as a stop gap until I can next get to the USA.
 
So, just to be clear - I can buy a surface pro.... then later on get the additional power of the surface book, by buying the aluminium case in which it sits?
 
950 also has barometer, as well as glonas/gps and A-BeiDou (seems to be a Chinese regional gps) gorilla glass 4

Camera
20MP auto focus with two-stage capture key
Digital zoom: 2x
6-lens optics
Optical image stabilization
Sensor size: 1/2.4"
F-number/aperture: f/1.9
Focal length: 26mm
Flash type: Natural flash
Features: Backside-illuminated image sensor, High-resolution zoom 2x, PureView, True 16:9 sensor, Fast Focus
Minimum focus range: 10cm
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Glaucus said:
No, two different devices
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Just saw your post inthe other thread, cheers. There's a comparison table that made it clearer comparing the two devices.

I was dead set on the SP4, but this has thrown in a curve ball. Just need to sit and think what I actually will use the device for / whether I actually want to be able to game etc on it (don't think I do)
 
If it had a kickstand it would be perfect for me, no kickstand is a big deal though. As well as price, but to be fair it's about right for such a device. Just out of my price range.
 
POB said:
Windows 10 should solve this. The converting functions from iOS or Android with minimal effort from developers is going to help.
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Sorry, but this was the rhetoric with Windows 8, and then 8.1

Microsofts hardware for me is absolutely second to none.
The Surfacebook looks like my absolute perfect laptop.

Microsofts OS's are great (Although I find 10 a downgrade on 8.1 in some regards), but their overall support (App Store, by extension ARM on Windows, and then Windows Phone) is naff. Windows RT's dead, my Surface 2's a premium device with less apps than a 2012 Nexus 7. But now they've gotten rid of ARM basically, the base X86 stuff, and your X86 standard programs, the Surface stuff will be win win. But I still can't see the app store being anything more than a bolt on.
 
POB said:
Windows 10 should solve this. The converting functions from iOS or Android with minimal effort from developers is going to help.
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Ehh, I don't know.

Still highly dependant on the developers willingness to do this and then support and maintain the app in the future.

I kinda agree with these posts on the windowsphone subreddit

Support - They can't just release the app and watch the money roll in. They have to add features, fix bugs, and listen to user feedback. If you're a small developer with limited resources, keeping up with two apps (iOS and Android) is enough of a challenge. A third ecosystem adds to

Complexity added by Astoria - Fixing bugs on code that's made for a platform is one thing. It's another to have to fix a bug that's going through a code convertor. Now you have to determine if the issue is with the original code or with Astoria.

Astoria apps won't be universal apps - Unlike Islandwood for iOS, Astoria apps will only run on the phone. My guess is there'll be far less interest in Astoria than Islandwood for this reason.

Low payout - If there's very low returns in the Windows Phone store, there's little reason for devs to create or even port apps to the platform. Obviously, it's too early for us to know if this is the case.

Lack of interest/awareness - Realistically, this is the biggest hurdle to me. Devs have to both be aware of Astoria and interested in the Windows Phone platform.
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Devils advocate: why would they? Developers are lazy, and this is a very fashion conscious industry. Why would you want to go through the awful experience that is the windows store just so your app can be run on an OS nobody really uses anyway? If it ran on proper Windows, maybe, but WP?

At the end of it, you'll end up with an app that probably will have compat issues, so you'll end up wasting time on it, creating forks in your code or a new abstraction layer.

Why would anyone bother with all that now? The sane approach would be to wait and see if wp10 gains traction, which is exactly the situation we were in with wp7.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/windowsphone/comments/3jkdat/why_wouldnt_devs_take_advantage_of_astoria/

Though I would hope developers do, I may jump ship to Windows one day.
 
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