Astronomers may have found Aliens

Radec said:
If it turned out to be life. Isn't it too far away to be able to communicate anytime soon anyway?
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If they've got a huge structure in space you'd have thought that they'd have the ability to see and/or communicate with us especially when we've spotted them. You'd have to ask why they haven't already.

Plus they're 1481 light years away. Anything we send won't reach them for another thousand years by which time we don't even know how far we will have progressed ourselves.
 
OhEsEcks said:
Because learned people aren't ignorant. Learned people who spend their lives studying space find that 100% of the time it's not aliens. It's never ****ing aliens. And learned people know that if there was an advanced civilisation that was within reach... and capable of putting **** into space to harvest their suns energy... it would have probably contacted us by now. If we can see them (and this stuff is what they're assuming it is [and you know what happens when you assume])... then they can sure as hell see us.
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yes and learned people said the earth was flat once upon a time.....................

they cannot say with 100% certainity everytome that it is not aliens, there is pelnty of stuff out there that is not explainable that best guess/inference is applied which may or may not be correct. Inference does equate to fact in science......... ever..........
 
wildman said:
yes I see your point, bu tin the case where / if they are positively making an ID on an actual prefabricated structure then surely the conclusion would have to be that there is some intelligence behind this ?

Agreed that you can't say it's aliens at every anomaly, but if there is a definitive building / structure discovered then what else could it be in reality ? This of course assumes that they can postiviely say it really is somekind of non naturally occurring structure.
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But I think that's exactly what he's saying in the comment you originally cited.

Don't forget, it's not as if you can go up to it and look around, say, 'yes, this is definitely a a structure'. When you're looking at things so ridiculously far away, you're always making estimations, so the first problem is trying to identify exactly what you're looking at. And if you work out that it's not any of 10 natural thing it might be, then you get to your stage of knowing that it's a structure - at the point you might reasonably ascribe it to aliens.

Mind you, even then you can't be sure. For instance, pulsars - they didn't fit any existing model, so they could've been aliens, but instead they just turned out to be a natural phenomenon hitherto unknown.
 
"As civilisations become more technologically advanced, they create new and better ways of collecting energy — with the end result being the harnessing of energy directly from their star."

Dyson sphere my ****, how arrogant to assume that we (a species with a few thousand years of real technological advancement) know enough about technology to decide how a very advanced alien civilisation would best harvest energy. It would be a lot more elegant and practical than some kind of excessively difficult to construct, gratuitous, star orbiting mega structure that's for sure.

The real conclusion from this article is that when these blinkered scientists directly observe something that defies their current accepted model of solar system formation (Nebular hypothesis), they and their mega-rich media chums bombard us with fairy stories of 'alien mega structures' instead. Creating an illusion that these scientist are unquestionable seers of limitless certainty and knowledge, absolute drivel.

Sad thing is, this happens all the ***** time.
 
colzboppo said:
Dyson sphere my ****, how arrogant to assume that we (a species with a few thousand years of real technological advancement) know enough about technology to decide how a very advanced alien civilisation would best harvest energy.

And:

It would be a lot more elegant and practical than some kind of excessively difficult to construct, gratuitous, star orbiting mega structure that's for sure.
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Hang on.....
 
From the actual paper:

We presented an extensive set of scenarios to explain the occurrence of the dips, most of which are unsuccessful in explaining the observations in their entirety. However, of the various considered, we find that the break-up of a exocomet provides the most compelling explanation.
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I'm not saying it's aliens, but it's definitely not aliens.
 
As someone who is currently reading the 2nd book of Stephen Baxter's Manifold trilogy, I find this both relevant and interesting.

I for one welcome our new hyper intelligent squid/Gaijin overlords.
 
Radec said:
If it turned out to be life. Isn't it too far away to be able to communicate anytime soon anyway?
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Isn't the current scientific thinking that if we do locate other advanced life then we should just shut up and not broadcast that we are here.

Many believe that aliens would be just as aggresive as 'earthlings':p , unless they had a specific goal in mind that wasn't focused around capturing resources and we would not know that until its too late to do anything about it anyway.

Plus can you imagine the social, technological, religious and political implications advanced life would have on Earth? It would be ****ing chaos, Its one thing to say that there are little microbes on Mars , its quite another to state that theres some super advanced alien dudes way ahead of us technologically that are zooming around the universe taking snapshots of stars just for fun.

As a general thought though: we may already know they are out there, and I totally understand if its super top secret conspiracy stuff that prevents them from not telling us because we would essentially have to reinvent ourselves as an entire species - and that probably will result in war.

No idea if this story has any weight to it, but really we should just get on with our lives in our own little galaxy, and try and get that Mars colonization up and running successfully before we even consider what else can be out there.
 
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I think this is the right moment for a Tesla quote

“If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration.”

;)
 
Muz333 said:
From the actual paper:



I'm not saying it's aliens, but it's definitely not aliens.
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Point is it doesn't nicely match any (known) natural phenomena exactly, even debris from exocomets, etc. had some caveats which gives rise to the possibility of it being not something that naturally occurred.
 
Our own History shows us what happens when an advanced technological civilisation meets a less advanced one... So let's send them a signal and invite them over!
 
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