Germaine Greer on Transexuality

If you going full banana split then good luck. :confused:

But some are fit as hell and I would all day! ;)

Think of it as a house with a kitchen upstairs, or a house with a rear entrance only.
Quirky but if done right it is fascinating. :D
 
Hitman_Leon said:
She does make some good points, when all said and done we now have many genders, some entirely natural, some modified. The point is that even the one's that seem to mirror the natural one's have their limitations and for all intents can be described as artificially created genders.
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I don't think that was her point at all. Regardless, all gender is artificially created and it's a dynamic thing, the whole concept of having categoric classifications of it is why we're in this mess in the first place.
 
PermaBanned said:
I don't think that was her point at all. Regardless, all gender is artificially created and it's a dynamic thing, the whole concept of having categoric classifications of it is why we're in this mess in the first place.
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I did not say that was one of her points, I said she made some good points.

Original physical gender (as nature intended before any intervention) as a baseline is not artificially created. Artificially created physical gender happens post treatment. You may also refer to mental gender as naturally occurring but as is now accepted mental gender may not match physical gender.
 
Hitman_Leon said:
I did not say that was one of her points, I said she made some good points.

Original physical gender (as nature intended before any intervention) as a baseline is not artificially created. Artificially created physical gender happens post treatment. You may also refer to mental gender as naturally occurring but as is now accepted mental gender may not match physical gender.
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There's no such thing as "physical gender". Gender is, by definition, the social construct.
 
I should not need remind people of the David/Brenda Reimer experiment that totally destroyed the idea of gender as a social construct. (And David and his brothers lives...)
 
dowie said:
that isn't universally accepted, some people have chosen to define it as a social contract
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It's pretty universally accepted, yeah. When the Oxford English Dictionary, the World Health Organisation, the vast majority of social scientists have accepted this terminology that should be a pretty good indication that it's correct.
 
most dictionaries will give you more than one defenition

so essentially you're pointing out that the WHO has chosen to use that definition and that it is popular among social scientists
 
FoxEye said:
So you believe that sex has no bearing on gender - is this correct?

Or are you going further and saying there is no sex either? No male, no female?
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I wouldn't say it has no bearing on it, no, but it is importantly distinct from it. Of course sex exists, but that too is much less binary than you might think.
 
dowie said:
most dictionaries will give you more than one defenition

so essentially you're pointing out that the WHO has chosen to use that definition and that it is popular among social scientists
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No, i'm telling you that the definition of the word gender relates to the attitudes, feelings and behaviours associated with masculinity and femininity and that the definition of the word sex relates to the difference in biological characteristics mostly relating to reproduction. You can disagree but you would not be speaking the same language as the rest of us.
 
PermaBanned said:
No, i'm telling you that the definition of the word gender relates to the attitudes, feelings and behaviours associated with masculinity and femininity and that the definition of the word sex relates to the difference in biological characteristics mostly relating to reproduction. You can disagree but you would not be speaking the same language as the rest of us.
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lots of social scientists use that definition - it isn't universally accepted as I've already pointed out

gender can also be used synonymously with sex in some contexts

it is also used to refer to classes of nouns in linguistics - some languages have nouns which are male, female or neutral - for example 'house' in French is feminine
 
itchy said:
Life! of course its great you should try it some time. :p

We are all women and its only a single Chromosome that dictates we are either a man or woman.

XX = girl
XY = boy

Crazy I know but that's the way it is. ;)
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That's not really how it works. There is more to it than that, even purely with physical gender.
 
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