Germaine Greer on Transexuality

Schlong&Stable · 26 Oct 2015 at 10:50

h4rm0ny said:
What the Hell? I sincerely hope you are not trying to come in on "our" side of the debate (so much as there are sides here). Because we don't want you. Whatever alien planet you got your understanding of "gender" from, it's not the one used on Earth.

John Money is the origin of the modern concept of gender which was subsequently popularised by feminists. He was a disgusting man who made young boys perform sex acts on one another for him, advocated for paedophilia and caused the suicide of David Reimer by trying to 'reassign' his sex. Gender is hokum.

As for 'sides' and so forth, how old are you? We're not picking teams for footy here, fellow.

balky12 · 26 Oct 2015 at 10:56

h4rm0ny said:
You've never noticed that a lot of gay men and lesbian women actually physically look gay or lesbian

Next you will tell us all black people look the same.

Above&Beyond · 26 Oct 2015 at 10:58

spoffle said:
What do you think shoulders are?

I'm starting to be concerned, what are you confusing here?

spoffle · 26 Oct 2015 at 11:05

Above&Beyond said:
I'm starting to be concerned, what are you confusing here?

Your shoulder is the top of your arm, the joint between your body and arm. You'd have a dungaree strap going over your upper back, not shoulder because they'd just slip off otherwise.

Above&Beyond · 26 Oct 2015 at 11:07

spoffle said:
Your shoulder is the top of your arm, the joint between your body and arm. You'd have a dungaree strap going over your upper back, not shoulder because they'd just slip off otherwise.

Nope:

dungaree
ˌdʌŋɡəˈriː/
noun
1.
BRITISH
a garment consisting of trousers with a bib held up by straps over the shoulders, made of calico, denim, or a similar material and worn as casual or working clothes.

Threepwood · 26 Oct 2015 at 11:08

Thompson_NCL said:
The "social construct" definition of gender is the construct of a pedo pursuing his own twisted agenda. Its nonsense.

Now, I can understand where you are coming from with this, but, we cannot avoid the fact that being attracted to the opposite sex has roots deeply entwined in procreation.

We cannot say the same for peadophilla. A female child cannot bear fruit, nor can a male child provide fertilisation.

Schlong&Stable · 26 Oct 2015 at 11:16

Threepwood said:
Now, I can understand where you are coming from with this, but, we cannot avoid the fact that being attracted to the opposite sex has roots deeply entwined in procreation.

We cannot say the same for peadophilla. A female child cannot bear fruit, nor can a male child provide fertilisation.

Sex exists for procreation, to say they are 'deeply entwined' is an understatement.

I'm not sure how this relates to the topic though. The only reason I mention paedophilia is that the person who popularised the modern concept of gender was himself quite a warped individual.

I don't perceive there being any direct link between paedophilia and transsexualism, except that they are both a mental illness.

spoffle · 26 Oct 2015 at 11:16

Above&Beyond said:
Nope:

Yep, because if they were worn over the shoulders literally, they'd slip off.

tom_e · 26 Oct 2015 at 11:23

From transsexuality to paedophilia and what constitutes your shoulder.

Only on OcUK.

Above&Beyond · 26 Oct 2015 at 11:23

spoffle said:
Yep, because if they were worn over the shoulders literally, they'd slip off.

I think you're trying to construct your own reality here despite the obvious contradiction, it dovetails well with this subject actually.

Tuppy_Glossop · 26 Oct 2015 at 11:27

tom_e said:
From transsexuality to paedophilia and what constitutes your shoulder.

Only on OcUK.

We just need a quick letterboxing. :cool:

Fwiw, my shoulders stretch from the top of my arms to the base of my neck.

spoffle · 26 Oct 2015 at 11:27

Above&Beyond said:
I think you're trying to construct your own reality here despite the obvious contradiction, it dovetails well with this subject actually.

Nope, that dictionary entry doesn't suddenly mean your shoulder is next to your neck.

spoffle · 26 Oct 2015 at 11:28

Tuppy_Glossop said:
We just need a quick letterboxing.

Fwiw, my shoulders stretch from the top of my arms to the base of my neck.

Are you from Chneckoslovakia?

Above&Beyond · 26 Oct 2015 at 11:30

spoffle said:
Nope, that dictionary entry doesn't suddenly mean your shoulder is next to your neck.

Are you a Cluedo piece?

Tuppy_Glossop · 26 Oct 2015 at 11:31

No, it's been the Chneck Republic since I broke my shoulder back in 1993

spoffle · 26 Oct 2015 at 11:32

Damn my geography

Tuppy_Glossop · 26 Oct 2015 at 11:33

Sleeveakia ?

h4rm0ny · 26 Oct 2015 at 12:46

Thompson_NCL said:
John Money is the origin of the modern concept of gender which was subsequently popularised by feminists. He was a disgusting man who made young boys perform sex acts on one another for him, advocated for paedophilia and caused the suicide of David Reimer by trying to 'reassign' his sex. Gender is hokum.

I don't know anything about him but I know that Alan Turing helped bring about what we call computers and I don't think using a computer or talking about them transfers gayness to people. Gender is not "hokum". Gender is social construct. If you don't believe that human culture has any concept of gender roles then you're an idiot. And if you accept that it does then you accept there is such a thing as gender whether the word bothers you or not.

Thompson_NCL said:
As for 'sides' and so forth, how old are you? We're not picking teams for footy here, fellow.

Well let's look at what I actually wrote - I wrote that sides such as are developing here, I wanted to distance what I was arguing from you as much as possible. And I'm more than happy to stand by that.

balky12 said:
Next you will tell us all black people look the same.

No, I wont. Because it's not true. However, if you think that it is not often possible to make a good guess that someone is gay or lesbian based on physical features, then you're at odds with most people who can do so. You can't look at anyone and say they're gay or not, but you can often look at someone and guess that there's a much higher chance than normal. Homosexuality is not a "learned behaviour" as some idiot in this thread claimed. It has a physical basis. To support that I observed that there is often a correlation between physical features and homosexuality. I didn't realize that was controversial.

Thompson_NCL said:
Sex exists for procreation

Also for fun.

Thompson_NCL said:
I don't perceive there being any direct link between paedophilia and transsexualism, except that they are both a mental illness.

Drawing parallels between the two is a lot less pleasant than you try to pass it off as. Were that your point you could have picked anything, but you chose to link it to sexual abuse of children. That in itself betrays a hostile agenda on your part.

Tefal · 26 Oct 2015 at 12:53

h4rm0ny said:
However, if you think that it is not often possible to make a good guess that someone is gay or lesbian based on physical features, then you're at odds with most people who can do so. You can't look at anyone and say they're gay or not, but you can often look at someone and guess that there's a much higher chance than normal.

doi an experiment download grindr, and take a look through the people local to you, see how many "look gay" to you.

i bet youd be surprised how normal most gay people look.

Tefal · 26 Oct 2015 at 12:55

Thompson_NCL said:
Sex exists for procreation

i dunno I've had sex with what's gotta be well over 50 people by now, not once have i had or wanted to have a kid with any of them.

nor did i ever engage in the sex for a child.