The EU Migrant Crisis

[Boycey0211]

Suddenly the US second amendment doesn't seem so archaic. Must admit, if I were allowed to I'd have bought a firearm for home defence recently. I think in this period of great uncertainty and threat there's a growing case for allowing certain people to possess and even carry firearms on our streets. Note for the hysterical - I'm not advocating a US-style free-for-all.

Fair enough you're not going the free-for-all route, but is there any real need for you to have one?

Have you been robbed recently? Felt that having a gun would increase your safety in what way exactly, I mean I'm assuming that it would be purely to kill whoever comes into your house to rob it, as we're a long way off having to have any need to carry on the streets.

Besides the second amendment is purely archaic, adopted on December 15, 1791, for instance:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Or did you want a gun to form some sort of militia?

e: just saw where that link came from, Breitbart again.

Gotta love their choice of google link keywords

u-s-2nd-amendment-not-archaic-hoards-migrants-flood-europe-wreak-havoc

 

[Tunney]

Suddenly the US second amendment doesn't seem so archaic. Must admit, if I were allowed to I'd have bought a firearm for home defence recently. I think in this period of great uncertainty and threat there's a growing case for allowing certain people to possess and even carry firearms on our streets. Note for the hysterical - I'm not advocating a US-style free-for-all.

Where's the justification for relaxing gun ownership laws? The crime rate in this country is going down despite all of the immigration and the recent economic downturn.

 

[SciNeT]

Meanwhile,

http://www.smh.com.au/world/migrant...d-fears-of-refugee-crime-20151027-gkkdus.html

"Arms retailers report it is noticeable that many women are buying firearms".

Interesting, this will be no doubt in response to rocketing rape rates women will have to face. Guns don't solve cultural differences, but I guess a shotgun blast to the balls does a fair job of solving rape.

 

[scorza]

Fair enough you're not going the free-for-all route, but is there any real need for you to have one?

Have you been robbed recently? Felt that having a gun would increase your safety in what way exactly, I mean I'm assuming that it would be purely to kill whoever comes into your house to rob it, as we're a long way off having to have any need to carry on the streets.

Besides the second amendment is purely archaic, adopted on December 15, 1791, for instance:



Or did you want a gun to form some sort of militia?

e: just saw where that link came from, Breitbart again.

Gotta love their choice of google link keywords

Is there any real need for Austrians to go out and empty the gun shops of shotguns? They obviously think there is.

A well regulated militia sounds good to me, one that defends us from enemies internal and external.

 

[Boycey0211]

Is there any real need for Austrians to go out and empty the gun shops of shotguns? They obviously think there is.

A well regulated militia sounds good to me, one that defends us from enemies internal and external.

Well the real need to me would mean anything other than panic.

The link you posted, follow the 'proof' back.

First link? townhall.com, no information on why its happening there so lets go deeper.

Second link? Daily mail (this is the original article). Fair enough, lets have a read.

All of it reflects what has been said in all the other links, so now we've got a copy/paste article on four websites effectively.

so lets get down to facts, the Austrian women are buying guns and pepper spray as it says, and thats it. Not that they have had to use them, but that women are buying guns and pepper spray.

A Viennese sociologist, Roland Girtler, said: 'Migration, in all of human history, comes with many worries.

'Many see danger in these foreigners among them. But this fear is unfounded.'

(direct quote from the article, if you can be bothered to find information out for yourself feel free to actually read stuff)

So because Austrian women have panicked, you now feel the need for a militia? I assume this because quite handily you dodged the question of home defence use and went straight for that.

 

[Dicehunter]

Did the PM really say this ?

I've looked all over and quite a few places have the same quotes etc...

Surely this can't be true that telling a Christian country to be more muslim, This is so perverse.

 

[Lokai]

What do you think really, transforming Europe into Eurabia

 

[scorza]

Well the real need to me would mean anything other than panic.

The link you posted, follow the 'proof' back.

First link? townhall.com, no information on why its happening there so lets go deeper.

Second link? Daily mail (this is the original article). Fair enough, lets have a read.

All of it reflects what has been said in all the other links, so now we've got a copy/paste article on four websites effectively.

so lets get down to facts, the Austrian women are buying guns and pepper spray as it says, and thats it. Not that they have had to use them, but that women are buying guns and pepper spray.

(direct quote from the article, if you can be bothered to find information out for yourself feel free to actually read stuff)

So because Austrian women have panicked, you now feel the need for a militia? I assume this because quite handily you dodged the question of home defence use and went straight for that.

Appeal to authority fallacy I'm afraid. Why is some Austrian academic more right than all those Austrian women who have sensibly taken precautions on the basis that it's better to have something and not need it than need something and not have it. Remember that it was academics that told us only 13,000 Poles would emigrate to the UK once Poland joined the EU.

 

[Dicehunter]

What do you think really, transforming Europe into Eurabia

I'm pretty sure that little sentence at the bottom is meant to be telling it like it really is as we're not allowed to be proud of being Christian or westerners anymore as it is against islam.

Well most of the people I've talked to even in work seem to be bending over backwards for anything and everything muslim related which is just perverse to me.

 

[Tunney]

Did the PM really say this ?

I've looked all over and quite a few places have the same quotes etc...

Surely this can't be true that telling a Christian country to be more muslim, This is so perverse.

Someone is winding you up. Don't believe every quote that's been made into an image.

 

[Dicehunter]

Someone is winding you up. Don't believe every quote that's been made into an image.

Well I've been searching for the quote in and around news papers and videos and so far that quote isn't far off which is worrying, why are so many bending over backwards for islam ? a good friend of mine from iran had to leave quickly because she wasn't muslim under threat of death it got so bad where she came from.

I don't understand why logical mentally healthy people would even support such a culture, Makes no sense to me.

 

[Rroff]

It isn't a direct quote but he has said something very close to those lines before.

 

[davisdavid]

Isn't it amazing that we all look at the Aussie system with awe when it's just plain, simple, common sense.

Please stop remarking that x country was created by y immigrants, that was the state of a much more progressive period of social evolution.

Just because we had the balls to advance enough to achieve colonisation in the first place, doesn't mean we should just pack the bags because we are morally obligated... By some false sense of liberal guilt.

We are only obligated to protect ourselves, that means telling the world to get lost until it matures from killing anyone not religious and throwing acid in a woman's face for having her own mind.

Don't get me wrong, I'm against immigration at almost every level but to play devils advocate - Australia today was founded on immigration. It's all good and well saying how great the Aussie's outlook is on the subject but I don't think stating we had 'the balls to advance enough to achieve colonisation' is anything more than hypocritical.

Also promting our colonisation progress is no different to promoting Nazi Germany. Both had the same fundamental idea of being a ruling global party.

We essentially forced people out of the country based on religous beliefs at the time which is essentially what is happening in some predominantly muslim countries at present. The only difference is we paid for the travel. Telling the world to get lost and mature is a bit rich considering how short a time it was we were still doing this below:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34656346

 

[davisdavid]

Isn't it amazing that we all look at the Aussie system with awe when it's just plain, simple, common sense.

Please stop remarking that x country was created by y immigrants, that was the state of a much more progressive period of social evolution.

Just because we had the balls to advance enough to achieve colonisation in the first place, doesn't mean we should just pack the bags because we are morally obligated... By some false sense of liberal guilt.

We are only obligated to protect ourselves, that means telling the world to get lost until it matures from killing anyone not religious and throwing acid in a woman's face for having her own mind.

It isn't a direct quote but he has said something very close to those lines before.

 

[Terminal_Boy]

Merkel has just upset the Bavarians (including her close ally Seehofer) over not closing the Austrian border to The Swarm.

http://www.dw.com/en/refugee-crisis-merkel-snubs-bavarias-seehofer/a-18808969

She can't last much longer now.

 

[Dicehunter]

Merkel has just upset the Bavarians (including her close ally Seehofer) over not closing the Austrian border to The Swarm.

http://www.dw.com/en/refugee-crisis-merkel-snubs-bavarias-seehofer/a-18808969

She can't last much longer now.

Even some of my close friends who live in south Germany, Mainly Bavaria, Who use to be as far left as you can get have started going right wing as they simply don't want this mass of people coming into their country.

I'm not against immigration as I moved from Berlin Germany to the UK and love it here for the most part but looking at it from a completely neutral point of view this mass immigration will cause a lot of damage and the mass religious extremism that comes along with it is not going to help 1 bit.

 

[Sankari]

Isn't it amazing that we all look at the Aussie system with awe when it's just plain, simple, common sense.

Speaking as an Australian I can tell you that our asylum seeker processing system is not 'plain, simple, common sense.' It is massively expensive, incredibly inefficient, not even vaguely cost effective, and—most importantly—in breach of international law.

The system originated with John Howard's government, was refined under Rudd and Gillard, and inherited by Abbott. It is one of the worst systems ever devised, on many levels.

Ironically, 75% of the asylum seekers processed on Nauru have turned out to be legitimate refugees.

I only got a CSE in Geography, but many of those arrows appear to originate in countries that aren't Syria.

Correct.

 

[squerble]

I'm all for controlled immigration. Turning up on our soil and demanding stuff is not controlled, we cannot have this open door.

 

[Dicehunter]

Speaking as an Australian I can tell you that our asylum seeker processing system is not 'plain, simple, common sense.' It is massively expensive, incredibly inefficient, not even vaguely cost effective, and—most importantly—in breach of international law.

The system originated with John Howard's government, was refined under Rudd and Gillard, and inherited by Abbott. It is one of the worst systems ever devised, on many levels.

Ironically, 75% of the asylum seekers processed on Nauru have turned out to be legitimate refugees.

I watched an Australian border security program, I forget the name but it's on the TV once a week about an airport.

The filtration process was a joke, They let people through who could only speak 2 words of English, Had no Visas, Had questionable luggage, Every one of them had heart problems, They all started crying when asked how long they were staying and every single one apparently was going to be killed if they went back to where they came from.

Yet they turned some brits away for forgetting to fill out 1 word on some documentation that the previous people didn't even have.

Completely insane.

I'm all for controlled immigration. Turning up on our soil and demanding stuff is not controlled, we cannot have this open door.

The far left are in control of this situation though, Reason, Logic and sanity play no role in their decisions that will effect the peoples of Europe in a very negative way but if you speak up against it then you're an islamophobic racist bigot.

 

[Sankari]

I'm all for controlled immigration. Turning up on our soil and demanding stuff is not controlled, we cannot have this open door.

Of course we need controlled immigration. Nobody's suggesting otherwise.