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Those officials covering this up should be arrested and charged for high treason against the people of the west.
Comedic in parts but also quite true -
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Those officials covering this up should be arrested and charged for high treason against the people of the west.
Comedic in parts but also quite true -
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Exactly, you look at most of those countries they are backwards **** holes.
Come now.... apparently "it's not the religion Islam is tolerant/peaceful" to say that is just disingenuous at best....
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Yep and we have millions from those socially backward misogynistic holes coming into Europe that refuse anything that isn't islam.
Yay for cultural suicide !
Congratulations on your first steps in studying Islam!
I'm sure as a eager student you would love to discuss the aforementioned YouTube 'analysis' on the subject of taqiyya and verses in the Quran.
I would love to guide you in your journey so bring forth an example of a peaceful verse later replaced by a "violent" verse. Of course you will also need to present the context at which each verse was revealed and we can then discuss the merits of the the meaning of the verse.
Of course, you already know that to understand the meaning one must then see how the Prophet enacted that specific verse and his explanation of its meaning.
Of course, silly me you're 3rd year at Uni! You already know the basis of evaluating the strength (isnad) of a hadith to work out how reliable that single line is when representing the sunna (actions) of the Prophet!
Forgive me but I think you must have made a mistake! Taqqiya is practised by Shia only. And it's to hide their religion if they're life is in peril. Of course I can see from you 1st in Islamic history in second year that this was done as Shia have been persecuted for hundreds of years.
Congratulations again on your journey 'my brother'!
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Or perhaps you could instead try telling your fellow muslims - I mean the ones who are being radicalised, and the ones who are doing the radicalising?
Clearly there is some difference of opinion between muslims about what your holy texts mean! You may have arrived at one conclusion, but there are many others who entirely believe that your god wants them to commit murder in his name.
More than 600 "British muslims" have gone to Syria to fight with ISIS now. That will leave, no doubt, a large number of people who supported them, radicalised them, encouraged them, left behind in this country to continue their work, and create new recruits. Even the people who knew but did nothing are guilty or a crime here.
There are of course acts of terror committed by non-muslims. We accept that. However these individuals tend to be demonstrably mentally ill. Those fighting for ISIS are (like it or not) sane, and motivated by religious ideology (before anyone says it, being religious is not classified as a mental illness, thanks
)Most non-muslims do not really have an interest in studying the Quran, etc. We just observe the fighting that is done in the name of islam. And the nature of the various islamic states (and their antagonism to/with the west).
And of course, you can't forget the cheering crowds after 911, etc. Or rather, we won't forget.
How much do we really have in common with these people? They celebrate mass murder in the name of islam!
Do you consider bombing a hospital in Afghanistan to be an act of terrorism? Were those involved 'demonstrably mentall ill'?
Were the IRA demonstrably mentall ill? How about Eta?
What is the situation like in Cornwall are there a lot of Muslims there?
I used to live in Falmouth and always found the Indigenous Cornish to be quiet Nationalistic. Hope it is still the same.
I'm sure you know the US would not have bombed a MSF facility intentionally.
And your link clearly shows how we feel about it - their is a war crimes investigation taking place.
There has never been a war where mistakes were not made. But of course it is not terrorism. What a silly thing to say!
Not a lot of muslims as far as I can see. We're mostly Polish down here now
I don't mind them tho, they have great sausage (oo-er). As for nationalistic... there is a lot of support down here for devolution away from Westminster control.
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We already know our governments are quite shoddy, corrupt, and not representative of the citizenry.
So what's that got to do with acts of terrorism committed by muslims, or the hundreds of people who have gone off to fight in these stupid religious causes?
That's not what the evidence indicates. It appears that commend knew that it was a hospital 30 minutes before the strike and did not cancel the order.
If it was a mistake, it wouldn't be a war crime.
Good I hope they succeed. They are as distinct as the Welsh or Scot's.
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What I find really disturbing is the amount of non muslim westerners defending this misogynistic culture that from what I've seen revels in death and destruction of non muslims and homosexual people.
Would we be defended by muslims in the middle of Afghanistan ? Not a chance in hell, You'd either have your throat slit, Beheaded, Raped then beheaded or just shot on sight.
This is as true today as it was in 1892 -
If even you are correct on this point, what exactly are you saying this proves?
That incident is part of a war between secular and islamic forces. Would you like to see this conflict a little closer to home?
Like it or not, some of us have reached the point where we're done with islam and its practitioners. I myself would like to drastically curb islamic immigration to the UK. Let them go to other nations and be with their brothers.
Let them go to Saudi, Qatar, UAE, or places like Malaysia.
Yes we'd all like that. Then we'd have to do something about the corruption in local government, which is alive and kicking of course
Or perhaps you could instead try telling your fellow muslims - I mean the ones who are being radicalised, and the ones who are doing the radicalising?
Clearly there is some difference of opinion between muslims about what your holy texts mean! You may have arrived at one conclusion, but there are many others who entirely believe that your god wants them to commit murder in his name.
More than 600 "British muslims" have gone to Syria to fight with ISIS now. That will leave, no doubt, a large number of people who supported them, radicalised them, encouraged them, left behind in this country to continue their work, and create new recruits. Even the people who knew but did nothing are guilty or a crime here.
There are of course acts of terror committed by non-muslims. We accept that. However these individuals tend to be demonstrably mentally ill. Those fighting for ISIS are (like it or not) sane, and motivated by religious ideology (before anyone says it, being religious is not classified as a mental illness, thanks
Most non-muslims do not really have an interest in studying the Quran, etc. We just observe the fighting that is done in the name of islam. And the nature of the various islamic states (and their antagonism to/with the west).
And of course, you can't forget the cheering crowds after 911, etc. Or rather, we won't forget.
How much do we really have in common with these people? They celebrate mass murder in the name of islam!
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600 out of 2.7 million Muslims living in the UK. That's 0.02%. I think that's all I really have to say about that and it answers your question.
And these radicalised nut jobs are certainly not my "fellows". Why don't you ask them?
The point of my post was that majority of the individuals in here have no idea about Islam. They Base it on the whatever they choose to hear. On this forum it seems to be breitbart. I've already discussed this with you on another thread. And certainly living in Cornwall (I've lived in devon) you have no choice but to rely on media rather than experience.
There was a scenario that you posed and we both agreed we would act the same way. One religious and one atheist would have the same approach demonstrating that you and I are not really all that different and our enemies and fears are the same.
"A YouGov survey for the Daily Telegraph, published two weeks after the July 2005 bombings in the London Underground, showed that 88% of British Muslims were opposed to the bombings, while 6% (about 100,000 individuals) fully supported them, and one British Muslim in four expressed some sympathy with the motives of the bombers"
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I can't speak for the others but my experience with islam has been far from good.
I come from Berlin Germany and we have a HUGE turkish population, 99% are muslim and most are completely against Christianity.
They even use a church we call the "Kaiser-Wilhelm-Gedächtniskirche" as a urinal and this is not uncommon and when people speak up against it they cry "islamophobia".
Even the place I work which is a gym and we have a lot of female clients had a problem with some muslim men who came into train but spent most of their time harassing our female clients and when we got complaints from our clients we had a word and they started threatening our female trainers for not covering up properly and "dressing like whores".
muslims should change to fit in, In Europe, Europe should not change to fit muslims.
أجمعوا على أن من أكره على الكفر واختار القتل أنه أعظم أجرا عند الله ممن اختار الرخصة ، وأما غير الكفر فإن أكره على أكل الخنزير وشرب الخمر مثلا فالفعل أولى
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I'm not interested in all the excuses you've studied, a glance around the world at countries where Islam has power and influence is all I need to know.
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