titan x or not

Dicehunter · 6 Nov 2015 at 02:45

SGTMASON said:
Yeah, these arguments/comparisons crop up time and time again...

I look at it this way...

If ALL graphics cards, be it 780ti's, 980ti's, Fury X's, Nano's, Titan X's etc etc... Were the same price?

What would 99.9% of people buy?

Personally I'd get a 980 Ti as it can clock higher ergo more framez

Kaapstad · 6 Nov 2015 at 03:39

Dicehunter said:
A single Titan X and a single 980 Ti are on par with the 980 Ti surpassing the Titan X most of the time as it has higher clocks etc...most reviews have shown this.

I'd only use a Titan X when doing 4K and then I'd run a minimum of 2 for the higher amount of memory.

At this moment in time the Titan X really is irrelevant for anything under 4K as a 980 Ti does surpass it.

TitanX and 980 Ti are not on a par

Once you start overclocking both the 980 Ti runs out of gas first as they are already carrying a heavy factory overclock.

The problem with review sites comparing factory overclocked 980 Ti's to Factory stock reference TitanXs is just that. Whats more the TXs were reviewed when they first came out, since then the drivers have improved a lot.

As jayz2cents showed when he compared an overclocked Kingpin 980 ti to a his slowest TitanX also overclocked using the same setup and modern drivers, the TX came out on top. Remember the Kingpin 980 Ti is the fastest one on the market and also has the advantage of being the only one that comes with Samsung Memory.

Then there is the matter of the 12gb frame buffer on the TitanX which means it can run every game on the market maxed out @2160p when SLI is used.

The 980 Ti is a very good card but it still uses a cut down GM200 chip and only half the memory the TX does.

Also in the news, my GTX 980 Ti arrives today.

Dicehunter · 6 Nov 2015 at 04:04

Kaapstad said:
TitanX and 980 Ti are not on a par

Once you start overclocking both the 980 Ti runs out of gas first as they are already carrying a heavy factory overclock.

The problem with review sites comparing factory overclocked 980 Ti's to Factory stock reference TitanXs is just that. Whats more the TXs were reviewed when they first came out, since then the drivers have improved a lot.

As jayz2cents showed when he compared an overclocked Kingpin 980 ti to a his slowest TitanX also overclocked using the same setup and modern drivers, the TX came out on top. Remember the Kingpin 980 Ti is the fastest one on the market and also has the advantage of being the only one that comes with Samsung Memory.

Then there is the matter of the 12gb frame buffer on the TitanX which means it can run every game on the market maxed out @2160p when SLI is used.

The 980 Ti is a very good card but it still uses a cut down GM200 chip and only half the memory the TX does.

Also in the news, my GTX 980 Ti arrives today.

Ooooh nice which one ? Post pics

I can only go from my own experience, Titan X at 1400MHZ vs 980 Ti at 1500MHZ I was able to get 300 extra points in Firestrike Extreme consistently with the 980 Ti, 9681 graphics score with the Titan X vs 10,006 graphics score with the 980 Ti and a few extra FPS at 1440P with the 980 Ti, Pretty much the same story with every game and/or benchmark I've tried thus far tested with 4 sets of different drivers for each card too.

At 1080P/1440P from my testing with the higher stable clock the 980 Ti is faster by a few FPS than the Titan X I've been using which is stable at 1400MHZ but fails immediately if I go higher with it in any bench or game.

Oh also, You got any plans of investing in G-Sync ? It really is the sex

straxusii · 6 Nov 2015 at 05:26

pmc25 said:
Not a single review has shown better scaling in almost any games at all above 1440p for 2+ cards for the TX over FX. Most show a huge advantage for the FX. As far as 12GB frame buffer being important? Just LOL ...

What you aren't taking into account is the TX and 980Ti overclock massively, the fury X doesn't.

Even with a single TX I can get over 4GB of usage in GTA 5 and SOM

Kaapstad · 6 Nov 2015 at 05:34

Dicehunter said:
Ooooh nice which one ? Post pics

I can only go from my own experience, Titan X at 1400MHZ vs 980 Ti at 1500MHZ I was able to get 300 extra points in Firestrike Extreme consistently with the 980 Ti, 9681 graphics score with the Titan X vs 10,006 graphics score with the 980 Ti and a few extra FPS at 1440P with the 980 Ti, Pretty much the same story with every game and/or benchmark I've tried thus far tested with 4 sets of different drivers for each card too.

At 1080P/1440P from my testing with the higher stable clock the 980 Ti is faster by a few FPS than the Titan X I've been using which is stable at 1400MHZ but fails immediately if I go higher with it in any bench or game.

Oh also, You got any plans of investing in G-Sync ? It really is the sex

I can not post pics as it is one of his videos which I can not link here due to the language. It should be easier enough for you to find as it was 970 SLI v TitanX v Kingpin 980 Ti.

All of my TitanXs can reach close to 1500/2000 in single card mode without any custom bios or mods. When they run in 4 way SLI they are good for around 1441 on the cores sometimes higher.

My GTX 980 Ti is a Kingpin 80+ ASIC which I expect to run the same way as jayz2cents one did against my TitanXs - win some of the synthethics and lose in most of the games using very high settings.

Synthethic benches don't need much GPU grunt but they do like very high mhz, games on the other hand are the other way round on very high settings - they like GPU grunt more than mhz.

I will only be really interested in a G-Sync monitor when it can run AMD cards just as well. At the moment it is better to have a monitor that does not support either standard and I don't have a problem getting high fps @2160p which reduces one of the benefits of G-Sync.

Kaapstad · 6 Nov 2015 at 05:42

straxusii said:
What you aren't taking into account is the TX and 980Ti overclock massively, the fury X doesn't.

Even with a single TX I can get over 4GB of usage in GTA 5 and SOM

I am starting to think the reason we have not seen volt mods for the Fury X is they are very sensitive to heat. With custom waterblocks they overclock quite well on stock volts and can hit 1140 to 1150 running in the mid 30Cs. With their standard cooler they run quite a bit warmer and you are lucky to see more than 1125mhz on the core. This may also be the reason air cooled Fury Ps don't have the same clocks as the Fury Xs. I am starting to think that increasing the volts may just heat the cards up and cause them to crash for little benefit.

Having said that I could be totally wrong.

Klunt Bumskrint · 6 Nov 2015 at 06:25

Also all the tests I've seen with TX vs FX they don't seem to use maxed settings at 4K. To keep the Mem down?

TheMorningStar · 6 Nov 2015 at 07:56

Kaapstad said:
C/F still works exactly the same way as it has always worked with the Fury Xs, the memory on the cards is still mirrored, DX11 is DX11.

The real question is not why C/F scaling on some occassions is so good but why is single card performance so bad. You can not get out more than the 2x100% you get from two single cards.

Ahh, is that just a DX12 feature? See that was the only thing I could think of why we see constant scaling above 100% in reviews of 2 cards. If that isn't it perhaps the first card is doing something that subsequent cards are not doing/ don't have to do. Maybe some kind of management which is always needed for the GPU but need not be replicated over all GPUs. I'm speculating obviously, I don't read that deep into the tech but it's interesting whatever it is.

Dicehunter · 6 Nov 2015 at 07:56

Kaapstad said:
My GTX 980 Ti is a Kingpin 80+ ASIC.

The phrase "More money than sense" comes to mind

Kaapstad · 6 Nov 2015 at 08:15

Dicehunter said:
The phrase "More money than sense" comes to mind

I want to have a look at a high ASIC card like the Kingpin and see if ASIC really means much. I like doing these sort of things first hand rather than taking the word of some of the tech sites that often get it wrong or are biased for one reason or another.

Kaapstad · 6 Nov 2015 at 08:19

TheMorningStar said:
Ahh, is that just a DX12 feature? See that was the only thing I could think of why we see constant scaling above 100% in reviews of 2 cards. If that isn't it perhaps the first card is doing something that subsequent cards are not doing/ don't have to do. Maybe some kind of management which is always needed for the GPU but need not be replicated over all GPUs. I'm speculating obviously, I don't read that deep into the tech but it's interesting whatever it is.

This is similar to how I look at tech. I would rather test it myself instead of getting an headache theorising about it.

5min testing saves an incredible amount of time and mental effort.

Wrinkly · 6 Nov 2015 at 08:32

Skip the Titan X. It's not worth it for gaming other than bragging rights.

The 980 Ti with custom board has better and a more stable power delivery which allows a higher overclock allowing the 980 Ti to beat the Titan X in FPS. A good example of this is Gigabyte's G1 which clocks past 1500 with some tipping 1600.

extrememachine · 6 Nov 2015 at 12:32

I think I have come to a conclusion; Will be buying 2 titan x hydro coppers, if I can find any in stock that is.

Uncle Petey · 6 Nov 2015 at 12:35

Mate, I think you just really enjoy buying the most expensive stuff you can find

But hey, we all would if we could, so more power to ya (and better luck this time around)

extrememachine · 6 Nov 2015 at 12:37

Thanks m8!

SGTMASON · 6 Nov 2015 at 17:16

Dicehunter said:
Personally I'd get a 980 Ti as it can clock higher ergo more framez

Then you are that 00.1%... Congrats!

4 or 5 extra frames over an already massively high frame rate producing card versus the added 6GB of futureproofed frame bufferring??

I know what makes more sense to me personally...

SGTMASON · 6 Nov 2015 at 17:24

extrememachine said:
I think I have come to a conclusion; Will be buying 2 titan x hydro coppers, if I can find any in stock that is.

Good choice in my book!
If you have the money to burn then you won't be disappointed...

Enjoy!

Kaapstad · 6 Nov 2015 at 17:46

SGTMASON said:
Then you are that 00.1%... Congrats!

4 or 5 extra frames over an already massively high frame rate producing card versus the added 6GB of futureproofed frame bufferring??

I know what makes more sense to me personally...

Just found out something interesting with my Kingpin 980 Ti using it in similar conditions to one of my TitanXs.

The Kingpin on air runs at the same temps as one of my TXs when both are overclocked.

The Kingpin can do a very big overclock on stock volts (around 1565/2000) but on air does not like anymore extra volts at all.

When compared to a TX under similar conditions the Kingpin is very slightly slower.

Having said that you do have the options of custom bios, extreme cooling etc for the Kingpin but then you also have these options available for the TitanX.

When reviewers compare the TitanX and the GTX 980 Ti they need to do it under similar conditions with the same drivers, running at the same temps, using the same type of bios in the same PC. If they do this the TitanX will come out on top most of the time.

tyler_jrb · 6 Nov 2015 at 21:20

Titan x now is just not worth it. I had 980s with 4gb VRAM they never ran out of memory on 4k at 60fps with as many settings as their power would allow. This is with bf4, mordor, dying light, skyrim, witch 3, adv warfare. 12gb isn't needed.

The price hike is just not worth it. 3 cards has diminishing returns of an additional 30% if that over 2 way SLI. Even then some games can run worse.

RanxZy · 6 Nov 2015 at 21:34

tyler_jrb said:
Titan x now is just not worth it. I had 980s with 4gb VRAM they never ran out of memory on 4k at 60fps with as many settings as their power would allow. This is with bf4, mordor, dying light, skyrim, witch 3, adv warfare. 12gb isn't needed.

That's fair enough that you didn't need over 4GB, but the 980Ti and Titan X will easily cache over 5GB on Dying Light/Mordor Ultra at 2160p if you have the vram spare. Still painfully overpriced for that extra 6GB though so only would consider it at 2160p SLI.