Poll: Is the 'gender pay gap' a real thing?

[Gilly]

Voted no

If women get paid less than men , then why aren't all the jobs done by women ?
Basic economic sense would determine that this would save business loads of money

Women do not generally do the high risk work that men would do

Women leave the work place for years to have children , putting them out of the work force for a while.

They are not as forceful as men when negotiating salaries / pay rises

You genuinely feel that a woman that has the same skill, experience and capability to do a job should be paid less than a man, based on the simple fact that she is female and not male?

 

[Tunney]

I'm hoping that the new shared parental leave rules will help couples share child raising responsibilities and thus reduce the gender pay gap.

 

[spoffle]

Make women play 5 sets in grand-slams where there is equal prize money. Better yet, do away with gender exclusive rankings in sport!

This is what bothers me over the incessant forcefeeding of the notion that men and women are equal in every area, and if you don't agree then you're a misogynist.

In the real world men and women have different strengths.

 

[Roar87]

There's also pay gaps between taller and shorter people, and attractive and unattractive people; and it isn't an insignificant amount either

 

[spoffle]

Voted no

If women get paid less than men , then why aren't all the jobs done by women ?
Basic economic sense would determine that this would save business loads of money

Women do not generally do the high risk work that men would do

Women leave the work place for years to have children , putting them out of the work force for a while.

They are not as forceful as men when negotiating salaries / pay rises

I think you've misunderstood the question.

I'll simplify it, with all things being equal should 2 people in the same position be paid the same to do the same role?

Isolated to that current place in time without making any assumptions, should that change if you find out one is a woman?

 

[Jono]

I voted no. I meant yes. I didn't read the poll, just the title.

 

[Cleisthenes]

You genuinely feel that a woman that has the same skill, experience and capability to do a job should be paid less than a man, based on the simple fact that she is female and not male?

I'm not sure that that's what he's getting at. If he voted no then he wasn't answering the question correctly.

 

[Nitefly]

Poll results are incidentally the same as for the question: "could you honestly disagree with the assertion that you are a massive bell end?"

 

[lurkio]

No two people can ever have exactly the same experience, it just doesn't happen

So poll does not make much sense

 

[Zenduri]

I messed up on the vote I saw the topic "Is the gender pay gap a real thing", saw a poll, voted NO (Gender pay gap isn't real) then realized the poll question was entirely different to the thread question

So I misvoted no instead of yes!

I do believe women should obviously be paid the same as men as long as they have same skill/experience doing the same role/hours. I don't believe there is any pay gap though.

 

[Gilly]

No two people can ever have exactly the same experience, it just doesn't happen

So poll does not make much sense

It's a straw man example to tease out opinions.

It's not supposed to be a real-world scenario.

 

[Cleisthenes]

Oh you tease, Gilly

 

[Nitefly]

No two people can ever have exactly the same experience, it just doesn't happen

So poll does not make much sense

I can just imagine you at school:

John walks 5 miles in 40 minutes. Kate walks 6 miles in 50 minutes. Who is walking the fastest.

Well, actually this question is impossible - can we say without any doubt that both walks were times with the same atomic clock? Even then, if it were the same atomic clock, it might have had a malfunction in the 10 minute overlap period. Further, Kate might not have any legs and is thus unable to walk.

 

[Nomisf]

Where I work currently, the same title attracts the same pay regardless of anything. Our new hires are well split between guys and girls, even in technical roles.

I realize though that this may not be the norm!

 

[Cleisthenes]

I can just imagine you at school:

John walks 5 miles in 40 minutes. Kate walks 6 miles in 50 minutes. Who is walking the fastest.

Well, actually this question is impossible - can we say without any doubt that both walks were times with the same atomic clock? Even then, if it were the same atomic clock, it might have had a malfunction in the 10 minute overlap period. Further, Kate might not have any legs and is thus unable to walk.

Ha!

 

[snowdog]

I'm not sure, surely this is highly dependant on your negotiation skill, I find it unfair that someone who doesn't try ''haggling'' would get paid the same as me, while I do my best ( actually studied some books and techniques) to get/negotiate the highest pay possible.

I don't care about the male/female gender gap, both should be treated equally and no positive discrimination. I do care about socially inept people, I may not be as smart as some but because of some assertiveness from my side I get paid better than some in my situation, because I simply try, I negotiate, and I open my mouth when I it doesn't go the way I planned or imagined.

 

[spoffle]

I'm not sure, surely this is highly dependant on your negotiation skill, I find it unfair that someone who doesn't try ''haggling'' would get paid the same as me, while I do my best ( actually studied some books and techniques) to get/negotiate the highest pay possible.

But that isn't necessarily down to gender, is it?

 

[aardvark]

i've never seen any pay gap between sexes. i think men and women get paid different amounts due to the jobs they choose to do.

 

[Burnsy2023]

Across the board this happens, and the evidence is substantial.

I'd love to see the evidence for this. Like I said, I'm happy to be swayed by the body of evidence as long as the evidence is robust.

I agree the issue is not contentious, which begs the question: Why do feminists believe that the "gender pay gap" is caused by sexism and/or patriarchy and not instead a reflection of differing life choices?

Sexism doesn't have to be a conscious decision, it can also be motivated by culture and tradition.

 

[Cosimo]

I voted no. I meant yes. I didn't read the poll, just the title.

No pay rise for you then.