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I see it as a legitimate shortening of the word 'transsexual or transvestite' and the use of it depends on the context.
Court Case: woman tricked into sex with a woman pretending to be a man
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I don't recognise it as a derogatory, demeaning or dehumanising term. I wanted to discuss it to understand the thinking behind it and how that might affect someone. Ultimately the discussion of which is not relevant to this thread and needs to stop - hence my request.
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I will not be held over a barrel on this. I offered to discuss it with you so that I could reach an informed decision.
Tranny isn't derogatory. Well to the masses and the community it isn't. It only appears to be derogatory to you. So 'or any other such derogatory word' is misleading and you are looking for an argument.
I.e if someone says yes it's fine, your reply will be 'herp deep, OCUK allows derogatory words on its forum.' Think you need to accept you are wrong in this case and grow up.
If Gillys mature response didn't spell that out for you then I don't know what will.
It is a lazy way to type transexual. Rarely do people use the word homosexual either. The fact this came up for discussion shows we are on a slippery slope. Have some of you been through some kind of brainwashing programme? Or is this what they teach to the up and coming generations?
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Thank you for clarifying.
Where did I say I was disagreeing with you?
The bit where you said I had a ridiculous set of prejudices?
Have we fwooshed?
It's like this case from a few years ago.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2184539/The-girl-boys-I-idea-boyfriend-girl.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2184539/The-girl-boys-I-idea-boyfriend-girl.html
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Gilly, you're a manager for the OcUK shop, aren't you?
Firstly I'd probably disregard whatever Ru-Paul says as attention seeking.
From a quick look at the usage this seems split into medical gender issues and drag queens/porn stars, I don't think we should rely on performers to define a term for a community.
Tranny is slang, generally slang is used offensively, probably in the same form as Lezzer or Homo. I don't think anyone would self define their gender using slang unless it was to others within that community - same as for the N word.
Secondly I don't think it is OK to ask such a question of a poster, in the same way as publicly asking someone to identify as lesbian may well attract the label of man hater within a debate.
Lastly being accepted for their self identified gender is (psychologically) important to these groups, a F2M wants to be seen as male, not as some halfway label.
From one section of that community...
which itself seems pretty torn apart because some LGBT groups want to include them and others to exclude.
And feminism doesn't know what to think.
Put Tranny, Trans and M2F into google - which word returns all the porn sites?
how would you feel if that was you?
'Generally', 'Probably'.
End of the day it's a word widely used both by the community and people outside it. Some find it offensive others use it as slang others accept it.
Throughout both threads there has been tit for tat and personal questions asked. Questions that actually help understand why people hold their views.
i.e. Lafemme kindly disclosed she was bisexual when asked. This in turn helped everyone understand why she found it hard to accept why hetero men (like myself) wouldn't, if they had the choice, sleep with a transgender woman. She obviously doesn't take gender into account when choosing a sexual partner and so her view was from a completely different angle.
Unfortunately words like transphobe or boring were slung my way (and others) after declaring such views. Might explain why she is met with a bit of hostility. (Along with calling out Thompson, and his wife might I add) when he hadn't even contributed to this thread.
Anyways Gilly did a good job moderating and refused to be held to ransom with the immaturity.
On topic I don't see what the fuss is. Declare your birth gender and all will be well. As i said previous.
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I think Gilly cleared it up well.
Let's get back on topic and stop arguing about the origin or meaning of different terms.
Let's get back on topic and stop arguing about the origin or meaning of different terms.
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The fact that there even has to be a discussion on this is astonishing.
What's even more astonishing is that you, a person of some seniority in a company you represent on the forums, think that it's perfectly fine to use those terms. What's the E&D courses like at OcUK Towers? If there is any, that is.
*edit, could an admin/mod please explain to me how the language used in this thread is not against the Member's Charter, and how the lack of action to rectify it is not against the Mission Statement?
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I suppose it's difficult for us to keep up with what words small groups are deciding is offensive on any given day.
Anyway, back on topic: I do find it astonishing that this woman was deceived for so long. It took a certain amount of stupidity on her part to not know. Should the law protect such outrageous stupidity? I guess, but I don't like it.
Relax Femme. Trans rights, and understanding of the whole subject, are somewhat lagging at the moment. It'll come with time, but don't try to swallow the whole elephant. Just look at how acceptance of homosexuality has moved on even in just the last 10 years - it's not quite 'there' yet, but it's close. Transexuality, or genderqueer generally, will follow.
Do I look like an expert on gender politics?
So is n****, it's a slang term, it is used by that community, I'm sure Gilly would be fine with its use in here?
I do not see a uniform Trans community, as far as I can tell Tranny was only used by drag queens in the early days of getting themselves recognised. That does not mean the word is OK now for heterosexual people to use.
It is like Dyke, I'm not entirely sure if that is OK or not, I know for a while it wasn't but I also know that some parts of the L community use it. I wouldn't choose to use it unless I knew which group I was addressing.
And this has resulted in someone feeling that this may have become too personal or offensive. Time to stop I think.
I must have missed that bit, I can't see what difference that makes to anything. Many women are bisexual to some degree, even if that is only expressed as some kind of crush on another girl or a disaffection with men.
Well I find a lot of people's attitudes to sexuality boring and phobic to some degree, I probably wouldn't rush to point that out though because people get defensive and I don't have a hobby horse to ride on the topic.
He appears to have declared "Tranny" an acceptable word, despite also pointing out that this wasn't an informed decision.
I don't know if he speaks for the whole moderating team here but personally I disagree with that view and I think it should be reviewed.
People's birth gender doesn't define their sexuality, which in itself is subject to variation over a lifetime for some people. Just look at the homo-erotic fixation on the latest GPU's in here.
This case is wrong in so many ways.
8 years WTF!!
Its a strange case and is subject to many directions you look at this.
To me personally......
The claimant knew the defender was a woman got jilted some how, then took revenge.
The is no way in this world you would not recognise the real McCoy.
If plastic felt like skin I would be single.
8 years is bad, she just needs a little help and guidance. Pedos don't get that for god sake.
Madness and judge needs to retire/quit ASAP.
8 years WTF!!
Its a strange case and is subject to many directions you look at this.
To me personally......
The claimant knew the defender was a woman got jilted some how, then took revenge.
The is no way in this world you would not recognise the real McCoy.
If plastic felt like skin I would be single.
8 years is bad, she just needs a little help and guidance. Pedos don't get that for god sake.
Madness and judge needs to retire/quit ASAP.