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Wut?
The Saudis are muslim right?
See, same thing.
ISIS are muslim and follow exactly what the quran says.
Sorry if the truth is inconvenient when people all start looking at them in the same way.
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What about the many, many, many Muslims that don't condone these punishments, do they not count as Muslim because the truth is inconvenient to YOU?
Do they not count because they don't follow the Quran the way you feel they should do, to count as a Muslim?
Does that mean that every Christian that doesn't follow Leviticus is not a real Christian?
We live in a society where people are free to label themselves as whatever religion they think they are following. No two people share the same ideas or ideology and the fact that some people think they can label others as this or that regardless of what the individuals themselves say or think is laughable.
With this sort of logic, the only true Christians are Westboro Baptist Church.
I am not saying these punishments don't and there are cultural differences between Saudis and that their punishments are barbaric. I am just saying (like many others that are seemingly being condemned) that associating all Muslims with these terrorists is like associating all Buddhists with Shaolin monks.
I cant tell whether you cherry picked your cultural comparison there or you genuinely believe that.
Is the fact that i can differentiate between a terrorist who is Muslim and a normal guy who is Muslim a threat to anything?
Do they not count because they don't follow the Quran the way you feel they should do, to count as a Muslim?
Does that mean that every Christian that doesn't follow Leviticus is not a real Christian?
We live in a society where people are free to label themselves as whatever religion they think they are following. No two people share the same ideas or ideology and the fact that some people think they can label others as this or that regardless of what the individuals themselves say or think is laughable.
With this sort of logic, the only true Christians are Westboro Baptist Church.
I am not saying these punishments don't and there are cultural differences between Saudis and that their punishments are barbaric. I am just saying (like many others that are seemingly being condemned) that associating all Muslims with these terrorists is like associating all Buddhists with Shaolin monks.
I cant tell whether you cherry picked your cultural comparison there or you genuinely believe that.
Is the fact that i can differentiate between a terrorist who is Muslim and a normal guy who is Muslim a threat to anything?
What you've done there is IS vs Saudi NOT IS vs Muslim ...
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Lol what we have here is a disagreement on labels. No one is doubting that the guy round the corner from me who runs the corner-shop is a normal guy, its just that i count him as Muslim because he told me so but other people who condemn people they label as Muslim wouldn't count them as Muslim because it doesn't suit their anti-Muslim argument.
Funny thing is, if we came to an agreement on these labels, the vast majority of the people here would hold a similar opinion on these events. Its only racists who DO condemn Muslims and label all people that I would describe as Muslim would disagree because they are condemning people based on how they group them regardless of knowing them, their intentions, their thoughts or moral values.
Funny thing is, if we came to an agreement on these labels, the vast majority of the people here would hold a similar opinion on these events. Its only racists who DO condemn Muslims and label all people that I would describe as Muslim would disagree because they are condemning people based on how they group them regardless of knowing them, their intentions, their thoughts or moral values.
Well said.
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Wut?
The Saudis are muslim right?
See, same thing.
ISIS are muslim and follow exactly what the quran says.
Sorry if the truth is inconvenient when people all start looking at them in the same way.
They're following their own Bull**** interpretations of what the Quran says not the actual text hence my opposition to calling them Islamic extremists they aren't they're a bunch of ****holes twisting the religious text to justify their murderous, selfish and quite frankly blasphemous actions and the media by identifying them as Islamic Extremists are actually helping the terrorists cause by legitimizing it as something that is Muslim/Islamic and therefore tarring the religion with the same brush as the terrorists.
However the concept of a 24/7 rolling news is antiquated in the modern digital society. It's the TV channel media companies that have not moved forward.
News -> research -> publish -> consume on demand.
But you are labelling ISIS as "not muslim", when clearly they are doing a whole bunch of stuff from the quran that UK muslims are choosing not to do.
Is your labelling of another muslim not laughable?
To me, if you have a holy book that says a bunch of stuff, and you can point to that book and say "I am doing some of that stuff" - then you can label yourself as a follower and two fingers to anyone else.
What you can't do is label another for not doing exactly the same stuff as you...
ISIS can't really say one person is not a muslim any more than another group can say ISIS are not muslim.
What authority do any of them have?
None at all
Since almost every muslim thinks every other group is wrong about Islam, then I don't believe any muslim has to right to define Islam. They are all just a bunch of tribal bigots.
Therefore my definition of it is to include everyone who says they are a muslim, so ISIS, Sunni, Shia, Alawi, Sufi, Wahabi - are all muslim as far as I'm concerned.
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Where did i label isis as non Muslim? i am merely labelling Muslims as not necessarily Isis. Lol how biased do you have to be to say that my posts suggest that.
I am stating what you describe as Muslim and what i do, is semantics. Well not you, but 98% of people. Considering how you read into my post i can only assume you are no different to them, just on another side of the fence.
There isn't much more to say than what i said in my first post. I condemn Isis for discriminating against people of different beliefs and wanting to act on it solely cause of their beliefs. You are really no different in that respect considering you prejudge 'almost all of them' and would condemn them just the same.
I am stating what you describe as Muslim and what i do, is semantics. Well not you, but 98% of people. Considering how you read into my post i can only assume you are no different to them, just on another side of the fence.
There isn't much more to say than what i said in my first post. I condemn Isis for discriminating against people of different beliefs and wanting to act on it solely cause of their beliefs. You are really no different in that respect considering you prejudge 'almost all of them' and would condemn them just the same.
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Because Paris is a capital city in Western Europe, we share hundreds of years of history with the French and they are our closest geographical neighbours. Most people couldn't point out Lebanon or infact Kenya on a map.
The French flag overlay on Facebook would be one. I find it crass and tasteless because it just highlights the fact that people seem to think doing that is actually giving support. It is extremely shallow and not much different to thinking those poor starving children can derive sustenance from Facebook likes.
Facebook is just awful at the moment (well, more awful than it normally is).
Though i still go on it as i enjoy judging all the terrible people and terrible things posted on there.
It's a bizarre learnt behaviour that people feel peer pressured in to doing. I find it crass and tasteless to be blunt about it. It doesn't actually do anything or serve a purpose. After hearing about Facebook's admissions about manipulating people's emotions via what's shown on your newsfeed, I can't help but feel it's somewhat related to that sort of thing.
Realistically, it's because most people you know couldn't care less about people from Kenya or Lebanon. The French are a lot closer to them in terms of geography, life style and physical appearance.
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Who the flip is Edward...
Not bias, just the context of the thread at that point.
I don't see how the principle of saying followers of a book can consider themselves followers if they so choose, is condemning anyone?
AFAIK I've never even condemned ISIS for anything.
Anyway, I'm fed up of these threads, they go in circles and all muslims ever do is scream butthurt because sometimes their religion gets a bad press.
so here is a kitten instead.
Well, if you're using it as a social network you're really announcing it to your friends/peers/family. It's understandable why people use it in such a way. The problem is that it also gives the brain dead a platform to spew their mentally deficient nonsense as well.