This petition [will it change anything?]

[D.P.]

Actually i got it from on these very forums in another thread a day or two back.

So you guys say it wont change anything,Why do you think that.

The only thing it has done is provided us with a list of 400K racists, xenophobes and general idiots. What do you want the government to do with all the bigots?




Recent events is exactly why we need to keep the borders open to prevent hundreds of thousands of more victims to ISIS.

 

[V F]

There's only one solution, instantaneous drone confirmation (+some crispy action) within borders and mass surveillance.

That's where the limp-minded are taking the situation.

 

[bitslice]

Islam isn't 'involved' in anything to do with terrorism - it is strictly forbidden

Islam has two faces, it can't preach guff like "it would be as if he killed all mankind" if at the same time Mo' ran around beheading thousands of Jews.
Christianity on the other hand, not so big on the mass slaughter thing, it is more loaves and fishes...

So when you say Islam has nothing to do with terrorism, I can't help thinking of the millions that have been terrorised throughout history by Mo' and his words of wisdom.

 

[bloodiedathame]

One of ISIS' agendas seems to be to drive a wedge between Islam/Muslims and everyone else. And a lot of people are falling for it.

Why are they doing this? They want conflict. They want civil war. They ultimately want control. Conflict furthers their cause, it drives disenfranchised and angry Muslims to them to strengthen them.

 

[zoomee]

Islam has two faces, it can't preach guff like "it would be as if he killed all mankind" if at the same time Mo' ran around beheading thousands of Jews.
Christianity on the other hand, not so big on the mass slaughter thing, it is more loaves and fishes...

So when you say Islam has nothing to do with terrorism, I can't help thinking of the millions that have been terrorised throughout history by Mo' and his words of wisdom.

Obviously talking rubbish - when did Muhammad run around beheading hundreds of jews? both you and Thompson_NCL are well known for your bigotted rantings about Islam. This sort of petition is well known to attract your 'types' no wonder your in this thread lol

 

[KIA]

Closing the borders won't do any good at this stage. The extremists that are likely to cause harm are almost certainly already in the country, and at least some of them will have been born here.

This. France is paying the price for having a 10% muslim population.

 

[bitslice]

Obviously talking rubbish - when did Muhammad run around beheading hundreds of jews? both you and Thompson_NCL are well known for your bigotted rantings about Islam. This sort of petition is well known to attract your 'types'.

The Story of the 600-700 Jews Beheaded by the Prophet at Banu Qurayzah

http://sunnahonline.com/library/his...ry-of-the-prisoners-of-the-battle-of-badr-the



Mods, I know muslims are untouchable on OcUK, but surely directing abuse at posters is supposed to be frowned upon?

 

[thedoc46]

This channel 4 poll taken back in 2006 says it all.

28% of UK muslims one day dream of the UK becoming an Islamic State.

78% of Muslims thought that the publishers of the Danish cartoons of the Prophet Muhammed should be prosecuted

68% thought those who insulted Islam should be prosecuted

Asked how important religion was to them 78% of British Muslims said very important

So yep i feel bad for the 20% that are decent. But again, not all Germans in WWII or Japs were bad.. But make no mistake if we'd let 1,000,000 German spies into the UK just before WWII, we'd not of fared so well.

 

[bowey]

I think you need to look past your nose here and realize that what you have said about "Many Muslims being sympathetic to the daesh" is utter BS.

This comes to mind

Not saying it is Muslims but this picture is doing the rounds.. its mainly because when the KKK used to kill black people they wernt known for shouting religious quotes or in the name of jesus ect, every beheading execution video ive seen on the net they always quote religion, then when the person has his head savagely chopped off they scream allahu akbar

awaits to be called a racist.

On the question of will the petition change anything? no it will do nothing.

 

[Zethor]

This. France is paying the price for having a 10% muslim population.

Bulgaria has about 10% too. Why aren't they paying a price? Daft statement.

 

[bitslice]

Obviously talking rubbish

A bit more about your "Muhammad, nice guy, great with old people and animals, and if he ever killed a Jew then it was either an accident or just down to stress"


(in ‘The Book of Jihad’)

an answer to the question ‘If a pagan burnt a Muslim, should he be burnt?’

Of one such a group who displeased Muhammad we learn: ‘He (The Prophet) had their hands and feet cut off.

Then he ordered that nails should be heated and passed over their eyes, and they were left in the rocky land of Medina.

They asked for water, but none provided them with water till they died.’



Yeh, Islam, nothing in that religion is going to inspire a terrorist at all...

 

[zoomee]

The Story of the 600-700 Jews Beheaded by the Prophet at Banu Qurayzah

http://sunnahonline.com/library/his...ry-of-the-prisoners-of-the-battle-of-badr-the

Classic Anti-islamic point that one mate - often regurgitated on anti-islamic web sites so I can easily see where you get your information from:

http://islamicresponse.blogspot.co.uk/2008/07/allegation-that-muhammad-brutally.html - Theres your response - something probably far too complicated for you to understand bearing in mind the websites you pickup your bigoted views from.

Anyways - not getting into an argument about religion with you bitslice. I've known you long enough on these forums to know how much you hate Islam and muslims in general with the stuff you often spout - your post history is evidence enough

 

[Liefrich]

And in this I agree, if anything this forum is far left, probably a bit too far

I don't think your assessment here is accurate at all.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18669914&highlight=general+election

In the last election just under 40% of those polled in the forum voted for the Conservatives who are a centre-right party and 12% voted for UKIP who are more right wing than the Conservatives.

In my time of reading these forums since 2005 I have always felt it was a more conservative forum. I am left of centre in my political views.

Back on topic. The petition is ill thought out. For our economy to prosper in the future we require immigration as we are an ageing population.

 

[bitslice]

Bulgaria has about 10% too. Why aren't they paying a price? Daft statement.

They already paid the price, when muslims invaded their country and systematically slaughtered everyone over a period of 500 years.

Safe to say there wouldn't be 10% in Bulgaria unless someone in the EU forced Bulgarians to take them.

 

[grimm]

Bulgaria has about 10% too. Why aren't they paying a price? Daft statement.

Not really as high profile, nor do they epitomise "the west" to the same extent as France.

 

[Tefal]

Classic Anti-islamic point that one mate - often regurgitated on anti-islamic web sites so I can easily see where you get your information from:

http://islamicresponse.blogspot.co.uk/2008/07/allegation-that-muhammad-brutally.html - Theres your response - something probably far too complicated for you to understand bearing in mind the websites you pickup your bigoted views from.

Anyways - not getting into an argument about religion with you bitslice. I've known you long enough on these forums to know how much you hate Islam and muslims in general with the stuff you often spout - your post history is evidence enough

The Prophet allowed the Jews to choose their own arbitrator. Here they made a very costly blunder. They should have chosen Muhammad himself – the embodiment of mercy – to be their judge. If they had, he would have allowed them to depart from Medina with their baggage and their animals, and the incident would have been closed.

But the Jews didn't choose Muhammad as their judge. Instead, they chose Sa'ad ibn Muadh, the leader of their former allies, the Aus. Sa'ad was a man who was utterly reckless with life – his own as well as that of others.
Sa'ad had received a mortal wound during the battle of the Trench, and in fact died soon after he had passed judgment on the fate of the Jews. HE declared treason to be an unpardonable offense, and his verdict was inexorable. He invoked the Torah, the Scripture of the Jews, and sentenced all men to death, and women and children to slavery.

so your whole argument is

yes he did kill all the men, sell all the women and children into slavery.
but because it was some guy who died that made the verdict not muhamed (the man who carried it out) it's totally ok?


so he was right the prophet did kill the jews and sell the wom en and children to slavery its just he did it on someone else's say-so according to you?

Fact is Muhammad was not even the one who gave the order for the people to be killed, the decision was made by the arbitrator who the Jews themselves chose. He applied their own law on them, from the torah. There is no need to avoid historical facts or to deny authentic reports.

so yes he did do what bitslice said, butcherd a load of men and sold women and children into slavery.

what a lovely chap

 

[rhysduck]

We need an open poll where people can add their thoughts on how to tackle the current issue facing our (and other) country.
It would be hilarious. I can't actually believe some of the rubbish spouted in here.

 

[McGray]

Oh, look what's happening in here...

 

[zoomee]

1998- Thats when the punishment for Treason (death) was changed here in the UK, so please don't give me any of this moral high ground stuff.

They committed treason of the worst kind - it was a tribe not just jews who did this. MANY jews actually converted to Islam when the prophet Muhammad came to medina (their own scripture told them a prophet of God would come in the region of medina/mecca, thats why they were actually there!)- it was full of jews, so to try to blame this as another 'jewish massacre' is just plain pathetic.

See what I mean though? Funny how the bigots all come out in force to belittle the religion even though the thread is not about religion itself. Same names, same arguments. lol

 

[Schlong&Stable]

Bulgaria has about 10% too. Why aren't they paying a price? Daft statement.

Bulgaria has experience Islamic terrorism in recent years. In 2012 there was a bus bombing which killed dozens.

I'd suggest that the main difference between Bulgaria and Western Europe however, is that their Muslim population is native. They've been there for hundreds of years.